A Path to Republican Victory in the Shutdown?

[aberrant85]

Going by that metric of "all year" the Republicans have still been the ones compromising. In fact, Reid's grand strategy to force a vote in the House is to be done buy dragging out an old compromise bill from the House that Reid refused to consider for the Senate, and even then only pass it for a few weeks.

Does it feel good to hide behind semantics?

See this thread if you think they're willing to compromise: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/174724-boehner-really-calling-negotiations.html

 

[Fenton]

Well in that case he's failed for almost 3
years, maybe they won't send him back next time.

Failed at what ?

Doing what he's doing now ?

Making you libs go into Chiken Little mode as you throw one false narrative up against the wall aafter another to see if they will stick ?

First he was stopping people from getting health care.

Now he's going to cause a default. FFS....make up your minds people.

The Fed is currently taking in revenues and has the money to cover the debt service.

How are we going into default again ?

 

[iguanaman]

It's not up to Boehner, he's just doing what his consituents semt him there to do.

Kill a very destructive law that has inly hurt the middle class working family.

Those constituents needed to send Boner more Republican Senators and elect Romney if they wanted him to repeal Obamacare.
We have a democracy and it will stand.

 

[aberrant85]

Failed at what ?

Doing what he's doing now ?

Making you libs go into Chiken Little mode as you throw one false narrative up against the wall aafter another to see if they will stick ?

First he was stopping people from getting health care.

Now he's going to cause a default. FFS....make up your minds people.

The Fed is currently taking in revenues and has the money to cover the debt service.

How are we going into default again ?

We default when people like you with no appreciation for facts and no concept of consequences drive us into default.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

We default when people like you with no appreciation for facts and no concept of consequences drive us into default.

We only default when the President would choose not to service payment on the public debt of the nation. Unless that happens, there can be no default...

 

[aberrant85]

We only default when the President would choose not to service payment on the public debt of the nation. Unless that happens, there can be no default...

It's not really clear if he has a choice in the matter if congress doesn't act, but he might have to try.

 

[Jack Hays]

We only default when the President would choose not to service payment on the public debt of the nation. Unless that happens, there can be no default...

Greetings, AP.:2wave:

The amount of slack in the system (if any) has not been the subject of much reporting. I confess I don't know much about it.eace

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Greetings, AP.:2wave:

The amount of slack in the system (if any) has not been the subject of much reporting. I confess I don't know much about it.eace

Good afternoon 2m. The whole idea behind the 14th Amendment was to ensure all creditors holding public debt would be paid along with veterans benefits, and there is more than sufficient revenue coming in each month to do so. Should the President decide to ignore this, it wold definitely be an impeachable action...

 

[Fenton]

Those constituents needed to send Boner
more Republican Senators and elect Romney if they wanted him to repeal Obamacare.
We have a democracy and it will stand.

LOL !!!

"Democracy" huh ?

Does that include the over 2000 waivers amd the one year waiver for bussineeses ?

It's "law" right ?

But Barry can ignore the Constitution and ammend the law ?

What's happening now IS how its suppose to be done.

We hold the House, because voters decided in 2010 that the law and the Democrats sucked.

 

[molten_dragon]

I was thinking about this earlier today. It would make a lot of sense for the Republicans to roll the spending bill and the debt ceiling increase together into one bill, and give in on defunding Obamacare in return for getting some concessions from the Democrats on spending reductions. If I gave politicians more credit for intelligence, I might even think that was the plan all along.

 

[Fenton]

We default when people like you with no
appreciation for facts and no concept of consequences drive us into default.

Oh FFS, if you partisan parrots were so concerned about "defaulting" you would'nt have elected a bunch of incompetent boobs to run up a Trillion dollar deficits for 5 years, and "stimulus".

Again, if we continue to pay off our debt service how exactly would we default.

Save your meaningless constructs for someone dumb enough to fall for them.

You know, like a Democrat.

 

[iguanaman]

LOL !!!

"Democracy" huh ?

Does that include the over 2000 waivers amd the one year waiver for bussineeses ?

It's "law" right ?

But Barry can ignore the Constitution and ammend the law ?

What's happening now IS how its suppose to be done.

We hold the House, because voters decided in 2010 that the law and the Democrats sucked.

No, it is never been and never will be "how it is done". Your support of the insurgency is noted.

 

[iguanaman]

Oh FFS, if you partisan parrots were so concerned about "defaulting" you would'nt have elected a bunch of incompetent boobs to run up a Trillion dollar deficits for 5 years, and "stimulus".

Again, if we continue to pay off our debt service how exactly would we default.

Save your meaningless constructs for someone dumb enough to fall for them.

You know, like a Democrat.

The Treasury has stated that they cannot just pay creditors. Their payment system does not function that way. No debt ceiling increase will mean defaulting on our debt without a doubt.

 

[Fenton]

No, it is never been and never will be
"how it is done". Your support of the insurgency is noted.

Hyperbole much ?

Really, the amount of Americans that actually view this as a "insurgency" are few and far between.

So keep up the nonsense and ridiculous rhetoric...please.

It marginalizes your position and does "wonders" for your credibillity.

 

[iguanaman]

Hyperbole much ?

Really, the aamount of Americans that actually view this as a "insurgency" are few and far between.

So keep up the nonsense and ridiculous rhetoric...please.

It marginalizes your position and does "wonders" for your credibillity.

What would you call it when a small minority holds the rest of govt. hostage and threatens to destroy our economy if they don't get their way?
It's an insurgency plain and simple. Our Govt. is strong and will squash it like so many others.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

What would you call it when a small minority holds the rest of govt. hostage and threatens to destroy our economy if they don't get their way?
It's an insurgency plain and simple. Our Govt. is strong and will squash it like so many others.

A majority of members in the House cannot be considered a small minority...

 

[head of joaquin]

LOL !!!

"Democracy" huh ?

Does that include the over 2000 waivers amd the one year waiver for bussineeses ?

It's "law" right ?

But Barry can ignore the Constitution and ammend the law ?

What's happening now IS how its suppose to be done.

We hold the House, because voters decided in 2010 that the law and the Democrats sucked.

So your new meme is that waivers are unconstitutional.

I'll add that to the list of goofy tea party talking points.

 

[Jack Hays]

What would you call it when a small minority holds the rest of govt. hostage and threatens to destroy our economy if they don't get their way?
It's an insurgency plain and simple. Our Govt. is strong and will squash it like so many others.

Actually, it's business as usual.

Morris: Shutdowns are part of the budget process

Shutdowns have been frequent tools of policy. Just ask Reagan.


By Joseph A. Morris, Published: October 2


Joseph A. Morris was general counsel of the Office of Personnel Management from July 1981 to December 1985.


One party controls the White House and the Senate by less than the margin needed to end a filibuster, and the other party controls the House by a wide margin. A fundamental conflict over government spending is at the heart of an impasse that leads to a shutdown of the federal government.
The year is not 2013 but 1981 . . . and 1982, 1984, 1986 and 1987. That’s right, the Reagan years, when President Ronald Reagan and House Speaker Tip O’Neill would work things out and avoid having to close the Washington Monument. With all due respect to Chris Matthews and other purveyors of this narrative popular in today’s Washington, the reality was quite different. eace

 

[Fenton]

What would you call it when a small
minority holds the rest of govt. hostage and threatens to destroy our economy if they don't get their way?
It's an insurgency plain and simple. Our Govt. is strong and will squash it like so many others.

"hostage", "destroys", "insurgency".....

Yes yes thats exactly what they're doing......lol !

Hard to "destroy " and economy after 5 years of Democrat incompetence but Oook.

Hey what next Iggy ? Is Obama going to shut down the "Amber Alert website for A DAY ?

Close parks and historical sites that are self funded ?

No one buys into your or Obama's demagogy and lies with the exception of people that are too stupid to realize they're being manipulated.

You know, Obama voters. Why dont you go preach to them, because I'm not buying anything you're selling.

 

[Old English]

The author of the article, which you posted in your OP, obviously knows nothing about true right wing ideology-which I have spent over 3 years of my life studying--the best thing the right can do at this point is drop the argument on repealing Obamacare, but instead of continuing to try and fight democrats for no reason--which is still the same tea party idealogy, they need to start focusing on improving our public transportation infrastructure.

However, the point remains that there is no way out for the GOP at this point, they have been checkmated and they must now take a more leftist position or face political destruction and take a hard hit at the polls!

 

[iguanaman]

"hostage", "destroys", "insurgency".....

Yes yes thats exactly what they're doing......lol !

Hard to "destroy " and economy after 5 years of Democrat incompetence but Oook.

Hey what next Iggy ? Is Obama going to shut down the "Amber Alert website for A DAY ?

Close parks and historical sites that are self funded ?

No one buys into your or Obama's demagogy and lies with the exception of people that are too stupid to realize they're being manipulated.

You know, Obama voters. Why dont you go preach to them, because I'm not buying anything you're selling.

How about John Dean then. He believes what the T's are doing is unconstitutional and violates their oath of office.

Government Shutdowns Violate the Congressional Oath of Office

The Congressional oath of office, binding every Republican serving in Congress, is found in Article I, clause 3 of the Constitution, as well as in the rules of the House of Representatives: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I’m about to enter.”

No person can work in or for our federal government—in either an elective or appointive position—without taking a formal oath of allegiance to honor and be bound by our Constitution. That oath is a solemn pledge. Yet we are witnessing what one moderate Republican calls an “insurrection” by the House GOP extremists, and there is no insurrection clause in our Constitution, a matter that was resolved by the Civil War.

Oaths are more than mere agreements. Rather, they are a form of attestation that goes far beyond the simple acceptance of terms and conditions. Oath-takers make a pledge of conscience to perform faithfully and truly. An oath is a guarantee on stilts, a special commitment, to which the oath-taker ties his or her personal honor. Countless Americans have fought and died to honor their oath to our Constitution. Yet Republicans are now shamelessly claiming that their ideological partisan politics trump their oath of office.

Conspiring with Republican colleagues to refuse to vote to fund the government, and forcing it to shut down all but essential services, is a breach of the oath, not to mention an obvious failure to support and defend the Constitution while faithfully discharging the duties of the office of a Member of Congress.
- See more at: The Legality of Government by Extortion:

 

[Old English]

They must also realize that the tea party is a sinking ship that is content to take down the GOP with it; so they must, themselves, destroy the tea party and, like Barack Obama said, move forward!

 

[Jack Hays]

The author of the article, which you posted in your OP, obviously knows nothing about true right wing ideology-which I have spent over 3 years of my life studying--the best thing the right can do at this point is drop the argument on repealing Obamacare, but instead of continuing to try and fight democrats for no reason--which is still the same tea party idealogy, they need to start focusing on improving our public transportation infrastructure.

However, the point remains that there is no way out for the GOP at this point, they have been checkmated and they must now take a more leftist position or face political destruction and take a hard hit at the polls!

What a breathtakingly uninformed post. And the word is spelled ideology.

Marc A. Thiessen (born 1967) is an American author, columnist and political commentator, who served as a speechwriter for United States President George W. Bush (2004–2009) and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (2001–2004).
Thiessen's articles have appeared in the Los Angeles Times, National Review, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The Weekly Standard, USA Today and other publications. He has also appeared on Fox News, CNN, NPR, and other media outlets. In its January 11, 2010 issue, The Daily Telegraph named Thiessen number 97 of the "100 Most Influential Conservatives in America".
[h=2]Marc Thiessen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/h]
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Marc A. Thiessen (born 1967) is an American author, columnist and political commentator, who served as a speechwriter for United States President George W.‎Personal life - ‎Career - ‎Book - ‎Referenceseace

 

[Old English]

Because the truth is that there is nothing more unpatriotic and un-american than standing against the president of the united states.

Now I have been criticized in the thread fresh look on guns for not using evidence to back up my points so here is some evidence:

"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake... Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of them that do well." Peter 2:13-14

How is that for evidence, would you dare question the credibility of the bible... well, go ahead, but just remember when you are standing at the gates of heaven and Jesus Christ wont let you in because all your life you fought for money and things of this world instead of helping others!

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Because the truth is that there is nothing more unpatriotic and un-american than standing against the president of the united states.

Now I have been criticized in the thread fresh look on guns for not using evidence to back up my points so here is some evidence:

"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake... Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of them that do well." Peter 2:13-14

How is that for evidence, would you dare question the credibility of the bible... well, go ahead, but just remember when you are standing at the gates of heaven and Jesus Christ wont let you in because all your life you fought for money and things of this world instead of helping others!

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