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A Path to Republican Victory in the Shutdown?

AlabamaPaul said:
Learn too use the Reply With Quote function of this site or your posts will generally be considered useless by me...
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I don't have to reply to you if I don't want to, I can simply make my own case; however, if you reply to me I will listen to you with all my ability and consider your point. But my point in this thread is that, the best strategy the gop can take at this point, is to rid themselves of this tea party and start focusing on their points: No one argues that the debt is an issue, so even if the GOP gets back to that issue, then we wont fight them, we will support them because we all care about this issue, but to turn this into a political ploy to score votes against the left is dumb--this guy in the Washington post is dumb.

Our fiscal problems are an American issue not a partisan issue, so if the republicans can do it better, then we are not going to criticize them we are going to applaud them; however, the point remains that the affordable care is not the issue here and they are not even serious about there best issues!
 
However, I tend to think that the GOP could do a lot more for the American people because, as it stands, they are not doing anything for America, they are only doing things for their pocketbooks!
 
Jack Hays said:
What office will she hold? Chris Christie will be POTUS, so that won't be available.:peace
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Christie would definitely be the strongest challenge to Hilary, but I think Hilary still wins. I'm not even sure that Christie can get the Repub nomination in today's wacky GOP.
 
Old English said:
I don't have to reply to you if I don't want to, I can simply make my own case; however, if you reply to me I will listen to you with all my ability and consider your point. But my point in this thread is that, the best strategy the gop can take at this point, is to rid themselves of this tea party and start focusing on their points: No one argues that the debt is an issue, so even if the GOP gets back to that issue, then we wont fight them, we will support them because we all care about this issue, but to turn this into a political ploy to score votes against the left is dumb--this guy in the Washington post is dumb.

Our fiscal problems are an American issue not a partisan issue, so if the republicans can do it better, then we are not going to criticize them we are going to applaud them; however, the point remains that the affordable care is not the issue here and they are not even serious about there best issues!
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I wasn't asking for a reply, but the way you're posting is like doing so in the middle of a forest. No one hears...
 
disneydude said:
Christie would definitely be the strongest challenge to Hilary, but I think Hilary still wins. I'm not even sure that Christie can get the Repub nomination in today's wacky GOP.
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Christie will never become the GOP nominee. He's too sane. The tea partiers would burn down the Capitol Building before the let a man who said a nice thing about Obama head their ticket.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
A majority of members in the House cannot be considered a small minority...
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I thought a majority of the House would vote for a clean CR, which is way Boehner refuses to bring one to the floor.

Do you have some other strange narrative to explain Boehner's reticence?
 
My point is that if the debt is really an issue, then why can't the republicans and democrats work together? This is a reason why competition doesn't work: because the tea party would rather try to make the democrats look bad then do what they need to do!

And you know what? I'm going to tell you straight up, if we need to pay an extra little bit in taxes, that is no problems; sales tax in VA is roughly 5 cents per dollar--that's nothing! I would gladly pay an extra dollar or two if it means I can help other people! I rather trust my money with the U.S. government than some private sector charity; however, this right wing philosophy that we need spending cuts to solve the problem is just silly!
 
Especially because these programs that we need are ESSENTIAL to our free state; therefore, this guy in the WP article who claims that the right will win this debate because they managed to negotiate a lower price, is foolish!
 
We don't need to make the private sector more efficient, they are already too efficient--that is the problem--we need to make the government more efficient, which is kind of hard when the right constantly thwarts it!
 
disneydude said:
Christie would definitely be the strongest challenge to Hilary, but I think Hilary still wins. I'm not even sure that Christie can get the Repub nomination in today's wacky GOP.
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I have a hard time imagining our first female President will be a widely-hated, 69 year old cuckquean but the GOP seems determined to make it a reality.
 
WillyPete said:
I have a hard time imagining our first female President will be a widely-hated, 69 year old cuckquean but the GOP seems determined to make it a reality.
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Hilary is only "widely hated" by the GOP extremists who suffer from CDS. Most of the country respects her not only as first lady but as Secretary of State. Her favorability rating is highest among any leading contender at this point, so i think your "widely hated" comment is over stated.
 
There is no Republican victory in all this.

There's no victory for anyone really.

The only losers here are the American poor...

A small section of people in one part of government don't get to hold the American and Global economy hostage to unilaterally legislate something that was passed by both houses of congress, passed Supreme Court review and essentially passed an election.

I don't agree with Obamacare either by the way, I think it's a crap piece of legislation, but there are other ways of rolling it back BESIDES holding the entire global economy hostage.

If you support shutting down the government for this reason you are an extremist.
 
Jetboogieman said:
There is no Republican victory in all this.

There's no victory for anyone really.

The only losers here are the American poor...

A small section of people in one part of government don't get to hold the American and Global economy hostage to unilaterally legislate something that was passed by both houses of congress, passed Supreme Court review and essentially passed an election.

I don't agree with Obamacare either by the way, I think it's a crap piece of legislation, but there are other ways of rolling it back BESIDES holding the entire global economy hostage.

If you support shutting down the government for this reason you are an extremist.
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Man, wake up! The real losers are the American people (not just poor people) because, when representatives fail to represent their constituents is when democracy has failed!
 
Old English said:
Man, wake up! The real losers are the American people (not just poor people) because, when representatives fail to represent their constituents is when democracy has failed!
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First, the House is representing what their constituents want for the most part. Second, we are not a democracy which is why we have a House and Senate...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
First, the House is representing what their constituents want for the most part. Second, we are not a democracy which is why we have a House and Senate...
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O dear God, this meme. I have to come up with a law for this, like Godwin's Law. A conservative can't go 5 posts without claiming the US isn't a democracy. Joaquin's Law.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
First, the House is representing what their constituents want for the most part. Second, we are not a democracy which is why we have a House and Senate...
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Man, I could make the argument that, by fighting Obamacare and risking a government default, the GOP is not representing their constituents because they will take a hard hit at the polls, at which point their careers will be ruined and they will have no voice, and none of their agenda will even be considered!
 
But, then again, that is the beauty of the American government and democracy, which the tea party and the right is fundamentally opposed to.

LOOK THE ONLY REASON THEY HATE THE GOVERNMENT IS BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS THE ONLY THING PREVENTING THEM FROM TURNING YOU INTO A SLAVE!!
 
Fenton said:
Oh FFS, if you partisan parrots were so concerned about "defaulting" you would'nt have elected a bunch of incompetent boobs to run up a Trillion dollar deficits for 5 years, and "stimulus".

Again, if we continue to pay off our debt service how exactly would we default.

Save your meaningless constructs for someone dumb enough to fall for them.

You know, like a Democrat.
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iguanaman said:
The Treasury has stated that they cannot just pay creditors. Their payment system does not function that way. No debt ceiling increase will mean defaulting on our debt without a doubt.
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Don't even bother, Iguanaman. This guy can neither think for himself nor distinguish between actual experts and partisan hacks with their latest talking points. If he could he would not be insisting that a debt default would be manageable, something nobody who knows the situation believes.
 
aberrant85 said:
Don't even bother, Iguanaman. This guy can neither think for himself nor distinguish between actual experts and partisan hacks with their latest talking points. If he could he would not be insisting that a debt default would be manageable, something nobody who knows the situation believes.
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The fact that the new conservative talking point is that the default is "manageable" tells me they are going to force the default, no matter what. That's how economically deluded the GOP has become.
 
Old English said:
Man, I could make the argument that, by fighting Obamacare and risking a government default, the GOP is not representing their constituents because they will take a hard hit at the polls, at which point their careers will be ruined and they will have no voice, and none of their agenda will even be considered!
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No, members of Congress take hits when they don't represent their constituencies, hence the standoff...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
A majority of members in the House cannot be considered a small minority...
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Even if it is a majority of Republicans which is doubtful it certainly is not a majority of the House. The clean CR would pass in a minute if Boner had the balls to put it to a vote. Even if it was the ENTIRE house it is still 1/2 of 1/3 of our three branches of Govt. That means 1/6 of the Govt. is controlling the other 5/6.
 
iguanaman said:
Even if it is a majority of Republicans which is doubtful it certainly is not a majority of the House. The clean CR would pass in a minute if Boner had the balls to put it to a vote. Even if it was the ENTIRE house it is still 1/2 of 1/3 of our three branches of Govt. That means 1/6 of the Govt. is controlling the other 5/6.
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Everything the House has passed was supported by a majority...
 
You see, if the GOP, tea party and right-wingers(including libertarians) recognize that they can use the government shutdown and default as a threat to get what they want means they recognize the importance of government, which is a contradiction to their whole theory that big government is the problem--this point is unarguable, I have the entire right wing in checkmate, which is crazy because I am just so-and-so, a no name kid from the streets!

The point is plain and simple, if you are on the right, the best thing you can do is move on--stand with us as one people--or get left behind while we move forward!

P.S. We must now push Puerto Rican statehood into the national conversation because these people deserve a voice and the U.S. government will never grant them independence!
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Everything the House has passed was supported by a majority...
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So they should put the clean CR to a vote and see what the "majority" votes for in the house right?
 
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