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A Giant “Screw You” to Taxpayers: Fauci’s Pal Dr. Peter Daszak Is Awarded New Government NIH Grant to Study Bat Coronavirus in Asia

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Seems that some haven't learned a single thing from the last global pandemic.

How many years, you think, before the next one? Perhaps even from this effort?
 

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Seems that some haven't learned a single thing from the last global pandemic.

How many years, you think, before the next one? Perhaps even from this effort?
Sounds like we did learn from the last global pandemic. We need to study these viruses and fully understand how they work and which ones are most likely to cross the species barrier so we aren't taken by surprise again, and can have vaccine precursors ready for when and if they make the jump to humans.
 

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Seems that some haven't learned a single thing from the last global pandemic.

How many years, you think, before the next one? Perhaps even from this effort?
You mean before one group tries to explain natural events by blaming nefarious characters and conspiracies? You've already started.
 

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Seems that some haven't learned a single thing from the last global pandemic.

How many years, you think, before the next one? Perhaps even from this effort?

You want deadly diseases studied in your backyard?
 

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Seems that some haven't learned a single thing from the last global pandemic.

How many years, you think, before the next one? Perhaps even from this effort?
We learned we need to know more.

Seems some people have not learned how ****ing idiotic it is to read Gateway Pundit tho~
 

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Seems that some haven't learned a single thing from the last global pandemic.

How many years, you think, before the next one? Perhaps even from this effort?
Well, Fauci was at the root of the one we just had so...
 

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Bats are natural reservoir hosts and sources of infection of several microorganisms, many of which cause severe human diseases. Because of contact between bats and other animals, including humans, the possibility exists for additional interspecies transmissions and resulting disease outbreaks.
Which is why it is vitally important to study bats.
 

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Sounds like we did learn from the last global pandemic. We need to study these viruses and fully understand how they work and which ones are most likely to cross the species barrier so we aren't taken by surprise again, and can have vaccine precursors ready for when and if they make the jump to humans.
There are some things, like viral gain of function, and most other direct genetic editing, which human have not amassed sufficient wisdom or knowledge to screw around with.
At least in my view at present.

You can try and dress it all up with sugar and honey, but in this case, specifically viral gain of function research to gain what? A supposed vaccine which doesn't even protect against re-infection?
In fact, seems to promote re-infection and / or weakening of the natural immune system?

Not sure that viral gain of function research risk is worth the payoff that we've seen from it.
 

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Bats are natural reservoir hosts and sources of infection of several microorganisms, many of which cause severe human diseases. Because of contact between bats and other animals, including humans, the possibility exists for additional interspecies transmissions and resulting disease outbreaks.
Which is why it is vitally important to study bats.
Bio-level 5 containment, justified due to the impact we've already seen, and still doesn't justify the 'gain of function' manipulation.
 

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Daszak will never admit he probably caused the pandemic. And Gates-Fauci have the power to support him.
 

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Daszak will never admit he probably caused the pandemic. And Gates-Fauci have the power to support him.
And the corrupt DC bureaucratic swamp goes on thinking people haven't noticed.
 

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And the corrupt DC bureaucratic swamp goes on thinking people haven't noticed.

Everyone who notices is labeled a right wing conspiracy theorist. Even though there are experts who believe lab origin is very likely and ought to be carefully investigated.
 

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Seems that some haven't learned a single thing from the last global pandemic.

How many years, you think, before the next one? Perhaps even from this effort?
The current one snuck up on us becuase some orange idiot stopped monitoring coronaviruses in asia. Wouldn't you like little advanced warning next time?

JUst what do those morons at Gateway Pundit think the research is going to be?

Oh, and:

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I refer you to post #10.

Great. You in no way responded to what I said. But keep on using conspiracy sources and conspiracy claims and batshit insane nonsense.
 

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There are some things, like viral gain of function, and most other direct genetic editing, which human have not amassed sufficient wisdom or knowledge to screw around with.
At least in my view at present.

You can try and dress it all up with sugar and honey, but in this case, specifically viral gain of function research to gain what? A supposed vaccine which doesn't even protect against re-infection?
In fact, seems to promote re-infection and / or weakening of the natural immune system?

Not sure that viral gain of function research risk is worth the payoff that we've seen from it.
On what are you basing this? You do know that COVID-19 was not the result of viral gain of function research, right?

And the COVID-19 vaccine is life saving and it alone is what allowed the world to come back from the brink of recession during the height of the pandemic. This research is absolutely essential to the human race moving forward and protecting itself and its economy in the event of another global pandemic, and avoiding this research out of sheer uninformed ignorance would be the height of irresponsibility.
 

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Everyone who notices is labeled a right wing conspiracy theorist. Even though there are experts who believe lab origin is very likely and ought to be carefully investigated.
The facts on the ground in China are beyond recovery at this point.

I'm side-stepping that particular issue, and making the more generalized observation that there are parts of genetic science which human have not amassed sufficient knowledge nor understanding of to be screwing around with, specifically in this case, the 'gain of function' viral research, i.e. the genetic manipulation of viruses to make them more virulent and more adaptable is simply something that human 'have not amassed sufficient knowledge nor understanding of'.
 

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You can try and dress it all up with sugar and honey, but in this case, specifically viral gain of function research to gain what? A supposed vaccine which doesn't even protect against re-infection?
In fact, seems to promote re-infection and / or weakening of the natural immune system?

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Take it to the Conspiracy Forum, Mr. Iccke.
 

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On what are you basing this? You do know that COVID-19 was not the result of viral gain of function research, right?
So it is being claimed by some. I'm skeptical of those claims, as I am skeptical that humans have amassed sufficient knowledge and wisdom to genetically manipulate virulent viruses.

And the COVID-19 vaccine is life saving and it alone is what allowed the world to come back from the brink of recession during the height of the pandemic.
Questionable, considering that it doesn't even prevent multiple re-infections, and carries with it the risk of becoming immunocompromised.

This research is absolutely essential to the human race moving forward and protecting itself and its economy in the event of another global pandemic, and avoiding this research out of sheer uninformed ignorance would be the height of irresponsibility.
So why not contain it in the bio-level 5 level facility? The same place where Ebola and Marsburg viruses are studied? You have an objection to this safety measure?
 

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The current one snuck up on us becuase some orange idiot stopped monitoring coronaviruses in asia. Wouldn't you like little advanced warning next time?

JUst what do those morons at Gateway Pundit think the research is going to be?

Oh, and:

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Take your pick on this one in the GOPlatform.
 
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