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A Day of History. Are 44 years of hurt about to end?

TBH you have a bigger chance in winning the league again than wining CL..

I can easily Man City being competitive if not dominant in the premiership.. depends on what the competition buys..

But in the CL it is a whole other bottle of fish or whatever it is called. City simply lack experience, which they showed this year.. that is of course if they dont buy experienced CL players.

Strange post. City lack experience and the only way to get it is to buy it? You buy talent, you gain experience. We'll go into next CL campaign with the experience of the last and with the confidence that comes with being English champions. We might not win next year, but we'll certainly do better than this year, group of death or not. Wealth doesn't guarantee success, experience doesn't either, look at United, Barca and Real this year, but you put together a package and add some heart and character and success may come. With a bit of luck added.
 
Strange post. City lack experience and the only way to get it is to buy it?

yes, buy players with experience in the CL. Look at your squad.. great players, but very few players with CL experience (multiple campaigns). Tevez, Yaya.. thats pretty much it. Your captain was a nobody CL wise before this year, as was all of your defence. Your midfield as well, and your attack. Aguero had never played in the CL.

And like it or not, that lack of experience was clearly on show when City lost games that they on paper should have won.

You buy talent, you gain experience.

You can buy experience as well..talk to Real Madrid :)

We'll go into next CL campaign with the experience of the last and with the confidence that comes with being English champions. We might not win next year, but we'll certainly do better than this year, group of death or not.

Heheh, well it cant get much worse :)

Wealth doesn't guarantee success, experience doesn't either, look at United, Barca and Real this year, but you put together a package and add some heart and character and success may come. With a bit of luck added.

Well wealth does guarantee the possibility of success. The Bilbao type teams having success in Europe are damn rare.

But experience in Europe is a key ingredient to success in Europe, but just as important is of course luck. This years finalists prove that yet again. How many times did Barca hit the woodwork against Chealski? Or how about the supposed "stealing" by Barca of a final place form Chealski a few years ago? Luck? Skill? Experience?.. I would say a combo. Or this years Euro League final.. the experience of A. Madrid having been in the tournament and won it before was very clear difference between the two teams.. the Bilbao team had stage freight and ... lacked luck on the night.

And when was the last time a team newly (relatively) in the CL went anywhere near the final?

My point is, City needs its players to gain experience coping with the pressure of the CL, which like it or not, is very different than the Premier League or La Liga. Malaga will struggle as well next year, despite being able to outspend City and Real Madrid.. if they want too.

City can go further next year, but all the way... that will be a tall order. In 2 or 3 years with constant qualifying to the CL.. then it is another matter..

Btw... lets hope City and Malaga get into the group stages together :).. hmm if that is possible.. City might be in the same pot as Malaga during the draw.. Man U and Arsenal will be above City in the draw that is for sure.
 
yes, buy players with experience in the CL. Look at your squad.. great players, but very few players with CL experience (multiple campaigns). Tevez, Yaya.. thats pretty much it. Your captain was a nobody CL wise before this year, as was all of your defence. Your midfield as well, and your attack. Aguero had never played in the CL.

And like it or not, that lack of experience was clearly on show when City lost games that they on paper should have won.
We lost 2 games; away to Bayern and away to Napoli. On what paper did you read that we should have won those games?
Heheh, well it cant get much worse :)
Failed to qualify (bad) from the groups with the greatest number of points ever achieved by a team that fails to pregress. We missed progressing by one game. It can get much worse, but will get much better.

But experience in Europe is a key ingredient to success in Europe, but just as important is of course luck. This years finalists prove that yet again. How many times did Barca hit the woodwork against Chealski? Or how about the supposed "stealing" by Barca of a final place form Chealski a few years ago? Luck? Skill? Experience?.. I would say a combo. Or this years Euro League final.. the experience of A. Madrid having been in the tournament and won it before was very clear difference between the two teams.. the Bilbao team had stage freight and ... lacked luck on the night.
Agreed, experience counts. We'll be aiming to do our best and one day, no longer unimaginable, we will win it. Frankly, I'd rather see that than see England win the WC.
And when was the last time a team newly (relatively) in the CL went anywhere near the final?
Borussia Dortmund 1996-1997.

My point is, City needs its players to gain experience coping with the pressure of the CL, which like it or not, is very different than the Premier League or La Liga. Malaga will struggle as well next year, despite being able to outspend City and Real Madrid.. if they want too.
Time will tell. Málaga's project is even younger than City's, they are still nowhere near winning their own domestic league, 42 points short of winning La Liga to be accurate. Málaga will struggle because they are not ready yet. City are closer to readiness. Time will tell.
City can go further next year, but all the way... that will be a tall order. In 2 or 3 years with constant qualifying to the CL.. then it is another matter..
Agreed. Exciting times and better being in this position than where we were just a few years ago. Other teams are in decline (United, Barca, Liverpool, Milan) and we are on the way up.

Btw... lets hope City and Malaga get into the group stages together :).. hmm if that is possible.. City might be in the same pot as Malaga during the draw.. Man U and Arsenal will be above City in the draw that is for sure.
I'd love to get Málaga. I can't imagine we'd be seeded in the same pot. I'd guess they'll be in the lowest seeded one. We will not.
 
Gonna be crazy summer... the Euros plus several major clubs need replacements for ageing players... Man U, Chealski and Barca come to mind. Add to that the usual suspect of Real Madrid spending like no tomorrow and now Man City.... and lets not forget the richest club in the world.. Malaga FC ... and it will be interesting to see who goes where.

How are you calculating that Málaga is the richest club in the world? Revenue? No, that Real Madrid. Valuation? No, that's Manchester United. Richest owner? Who knows? So, richest how?
 
We lost 2 games; away to Bayern and away to Napoli. On what paper did you read that we should have won those games?
Failed to qualify (bad) from the groups with the greatest number of points ever achieved by a team that fails to pregress. We missed progressing by one game. It can get much worse, but will get much better.

You lost 2 and drew one... that is far from good enough as a 3rd tier team in the group phase.

Borussia Dortmund 1996-1997.

So 15 years ago.. hardly common :)

Agreed. Exciting times and better being in this position than where we were just a few years ago. Other teams are in decline (United, Barca, Liverpool, Milan) and we are on the way up.

Well, yes and no. Liverpool has been in decline domestically for years, but recently they did win Champions League twice.. I would not count Liverpool out just yet... As for United.. only thing that can bring that club down is the owners.. which is not impossible. United is generational phase yet again under Fergie. Barca will remain strong for years to come... the youth system will make sure of that. Milan is also in a generational phase but like City have a rich owner.

I'd love to get Málaga. I can't imagine we'd be seeded in the same pot. I'd guess they'll be in the lowest seeded one. We will not.

Depends. If Chealski win next week, then Chealski, Man U, Arsenal will be in the two top seed at worst... Arsenal might be pushed to the second seed group. City was 3rd pot, and should be in the 3rd pot again. Malaga can be in either the 3rd or 4th pot.. depends on who else is in the draw. If Montpellier wins in France for example, then they will be in the 4th pot...and that might push Malaga up.. but yea most likely 4th pot.
 
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How are you calculating that Málaga is the richest club in the world? Revenue? No, that Real Madrid. Valuation? No, that's Manchester United. Richest owner? Who knows? So, richest how?

Was actually something I heard on some news show.

But it is a good question.

I guess it comes to ability to pump money into the club.. and there I dunno how much actual economic wealth both owners of Malaga and Man City actually have.. since they both are not part of the sovereign wealth funds of the respective nations.

Does not really matter in the end, with the new rules on finances coming into place.
 
City will do well in next years CL especially if they bring in a few more big names which I know they will and can def attract them with the lg title in the clubhouse.
 
Still on a high and spent a very happy couple of hours rewatching the game as presented in different countries. This one is extremely entertaining commentary. No idea what he's saying, but I like the way he says it...



Can anyone post a clip of a sporting event with more drama, emotion, and passion than this?
 
Andalublue, an unbelievable day. I've been going over 30 years and have seen nothing like it! You'll enjoy this...

 
Andalublue, an unbelievable day. I've been going over 30 years and have seen nothing like it! You'll enjoy this...




Beautiful, Mancunian, just beautiful! Nicely clipped-together vid. I'm getting teary all over again.
 
I'm sorry in advance for the pain that you'll feel in your heart when FC Bayern crushes Chelsea in the champions league final.

Say what??

Woot woot!!!!

:mrgreen:
 
Chelsea so bloody lucky lol! Fair play though they won it the hard way! Champs lg back in England!
 
Say what??

Woot woot!!!!

:mrgreen:

:( FC Bayern has a habit of breaking my heart... But I still love them.

They really did outplay Chelsea today; not saying Chelsea didn't deserve it, but I would've expected a better fight from them than what I saw.
 
:( FC Bayern has a habit of breaking my heart... But I still love them.

They really did outplay Chelsea today; not saying Chelsea didn't deserve it, but I would've expected a better fight from them than what I saw.


just didnt take their chances and they sat off Chelsea far too much. When a team sits back like Chelsea did in your own stadium you have to put the sword to them.
 
:( FC Bayern has a habit of breaking my heart... But I still love them.

They really did outplay Chelsea today; not saying Chelsea didn't deserve it, but I would've expected a better fight from them than what I saw.

It was a great game, and a great run up to this game. When Cech stopped that penalty in OT I couldn't believe it, I for sure thought they'd score.

And when we were down early in the penalty's I thought it was over, but they never gave up, and came out on top! Awesome.
 
It was a great game, and a great run up to this game. When Cech stopped that penalty in OT I couldn't believe it, I for sure thought they'd score.

And when we were down early in the penalty's I thought it was over, but they never gave up, and came out on top! Awesome.

Are you kidding? "A great game"???? It was an awful, boring and soulless game for 105 of 120 minutes. I'll admit that minutes 83-87 were dramatic and penalty shoot-outs are always nerve-shredding occasions, but for a neutral there was very little to appreciate.

Well done to Chelsea nontheless. They won it the only way they could, with dour defending and a dogged, never-say-die attitude in the home stadium of their opponents, but it was no classic. Just a few hours later all I can remember are the two goals and the penalty misses.
 
Are you kidding? "A great game"???? It was an awful, boring and soulless game for 105 of 120 minutes. I'll admit that minutes 83-87 were dramatic and penalty shoot-outs are always nerve-shredding occasions, but for a neutral there was very little to appreciate.

Well done to Chelsea nontheless. They won it the only way they could, with dour defending and a dogged, never-say-die attitude in the home stadium of their opponents, but it was no classic. Just a few hours later all I can remember are the two goals and the penalty misses.

Was a boring game, with Chealski playing Italian/Norwegian style... what did they have 4 shots on goal? and 30% ball position? I believe not only that Chealski does not deserve the cup, but that the Champions League has lost something by such a team to winning. Bayern not only deserved the win, but the cup.. they have been playing great through out the tournament.... actually playing football unlike Chealski.

And that is was Drogba that won it.. is disgusting to say the least. It shows how toothless FIFA and UEFA are when they say they want to hit down on time wasting and acting/diving. Drogba was laying down "injured" more than he touched the freaking ball in the last 3 games..

But now we know... price of a Champions League trophy for anyone with no team... 1 billion pounds. Man City needs to spend some more money!
 
Was a boring game, with Chealski playing Italian/Norwegian style... what did they have 4 shots on goal? and 30% ball position? I believe not only that Chealski does not deserve the cup, but that the Champions League has lost something by such a team to winning. Bayern not only deserved the win, but the cup.. they have been playing great through out the tournament.... actually playing football unlike Chealski.

And that is was Drogba that won it.. is disgusting to say the least. It shows how toothless FIFA and UEFA are when they say they want to hit down on time wasting and acting/diving. Drogba was laying down "injured" more than he touched the freaking ball in the last 3 games..

But now we know... price of a Champions League trophy for anyone with no team... 1 billion pounds. Man City needs to spend some more money!

Drogba was definitely Man of the Match. I hate the diving and cheating, but I didn't see him do any of it last night. Bayern were the more pleasing team to watch, no doubt, but they couldn't convert possession into goals, so they lost. There are no trophies for ball possession. That seems to be something people like you forget. If there were City would have won every game they played in the EPL this season. Barcelona would have won the CL again. They didn't because they could not penetrate really committed and stubborn defences. Catenaccio is an unpopular style of play for good reason, but you cannot deny that it can be effective. Chelsea and Inter are the proof.

Barca, Real, Bayern, Man Utd and all those teams who have won their leagues and CL gongs have all spent shed-loads of money. Real have spent more than Chelsea and City combined over recent years, but somehow it's only those who have gained success recently that are criticised for buying success. Funny how just one trophy-less season can turn Barca and United fans into bitter children.
 
Was a boring game, with Chealski playing Italian/Norwegian style... what did they have 4 shots on goal? and 30% ball position? I believe not only that Chealski does not deserve the cup, but that the Champions League has lost something by such a team to winning. Bayern not only deserved the win, but the cup.. they have been playing great through out the tournament.... actually playing football unlike Chealski.

And that is was Drogba that won it.. is disgusting to say the least. It shows how toothless FIFA and UEFA are when they say they want to hit down on time wasting and acting/diving. Drogba was laying down "injured" more than he touched the freaking ball in the last 3 games..

But now we know... price of a Champions League trophy for anyone with no team... 1 billion pounds. Man City needs to spend some more money!


Football isnt just about making it look pretty and putting a bow on it, sooner people realise this the sooner you will stop losing to the teams that do this. Bayern only have themselves to blame they had Chelsea at their mercy and they could not pull out the knockout punch.
 
Drogba was definitely Man of the Match. I hate the diving and cheating, but I didn't see him do any of it last night.

Hell no, that was Ashley Cole by a country mile. I despise the guy as a person, but he should have won man of the match, not that idiot Drogba. The amount of critical tackles he made during the match was huge. Drogba did 2 things, where only one would have mattered (the real goal) and if it had not been for Cole, then it would have mattered nothing since Bayern would have been ahead 4+ to 0 by that time.

And he did try to cheat last night, but the ref to his credit did not stop the game. When Olic almost scored, Drogba was "hurt" at the other end.. his loss of the ball caused the counter attack.. and it was funny to watch how fast Drogba got back on his feet once he realized that he almost cost his team the game. While he did not do as much as he did against Barca, he did try.. quite a few times.

Bayern were the more pleasing team to watch, no doubt, but they couldn't convert possession into goals, so they lost.

Yep they lacked the luck needed.. that every team needs... just like Man City needed on the last day of the season. No Barton red card, no 5 min over time, no 2 goals.

There are no trophies for ball possession.

Hmm maybe there should be.. or a point/goal for the team with the most ball possession over 60%. I am personally getting tired of teams that dont try to play the game and just stand back and hope for the one chance of a contra..... something like the handball rules on non action might help.. dunno.

That seems to be something people like you forget. If there were City would have won every game they played in the EPL this season. Barcelona would have won the CL again. They didn't because they could not penetrate really committed and stubborn defences. Catenaccio is an unpopular style of play for good reason, but you cannot deny that it can be effective. Chelsea and Inter are the proof.

The ref cheated Barca in the semi final and that made Inter go to the final.... but that is another discussion. And yes Chelsea and Inter are the proof and frankly they hurt football more than they help it.

Barca, Real, Bayern, Man Utd and all those teams who have won their leagues and CL gongs have all spent shed-loads of money. Real have spent more than Chelsea and City combined over recent years, but somehow it's only those who have gained success recently that are criticised for buying success. Funny how just one trophy-less season can turn Barca and United fans into bitter children.

As a Barca fan I resent that. Barca ****ed up in La Liga to easy oppontents. If they had won those games instead of drawing then the title race would have been much closer and different.... as a fan I admit they ****ed up royally against those teams. But lets not forget... Barca is still the most winning team in Europe (title wise) of the big teams. Barca got 3 major titles this year, where as teams like City and Real got 1. And Barca still has a good chance of a 4th title this season...

Chealski has bought success, just as City has. Chealski was nothing before Abramhovich bought the club.. a team of with a glorious past, but nothing more. The same with Man City.

Real Madrid has been dominant on the European scale for decades, and Barca has been up there the last 20+ years. Man U has been dominant for decades also...

Now you can claim that Real Madrid buys its championships.. and I would agree.. at least the last 20 years. But saying that Barca or Man U "buy" their titles in the same way is a tad harder, looking at the core of both teams. Man U does not buy mega stars.. they buy cheap and make mega stars of them.. or come from their own ranks. Barca buys one or two stars and the rest come from their own ranks or are bought cheaply (relatively speaking). Over half the Barca team come from their youth academy, and Man U also has quite a few from their youth team, although it has declined over the years as the competition in the EPL has gone up.

Both Man City and Chealski dont do that. How many players in the City team come from the youth academy.. I mean players that actually play?... 2? How many on Chealskis? 1? How many are actually English? Only team that is worse is Arsenal with its non-English English team... do they even have English players.. oh yea one.

Regardless, next season will be the first where a lot of teams need new players, but the financial resources wont be there to command the massive wages and transfer sums.. not that they dont have the money, but that their balance sheets need to be kosher for the 2013-14 season where the harsh rules come into place. Chealski needs new players, as does Barca, Real, Man U, Liverpool, Man City and so on and so on.. all because of players getting old or being forced retired due to illness/injury. Hell Robben in Bayern has been talking about retirement as well. And then there are the fringe players with high wages that need dumping.. which wont be easy for certain teams.. City for example. At least with Chealksi their high earners are coming to end of contract soonish and are not getting renewed.

I suspect football will start to look very different over the next 2 years and it might with some luck push "new teams" outside the usual suspects to compete for titles both domestically and Europe wide.
 
Football isnt just about making it look pretty and putting a bow on it, sooner people realise this the sooner you will stop losing to the teams that do this. Bayern only have themselves to blame they had Chelsea at their mercy and they could not pull out the knockout punch.

Not it is not, but "blame" is a tad much. Luck had a lot to do with it as well.. and Ashley Cole.
 
I refuse to watch penalty shootouts. It is a loathsome way to settle a championship. It would be like settling the Superbowl by field goal kicks or a basketball game by free throws. Really - that's the best idea anybody can come up with?
 
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