A charter school vs a government-run school - in the same building

[NatMorton]

Depends on the size and location of the schools. Schools in military neighborhoods see it all the time. Schools in areas facing large changes in growth, either additions or reductions of neighborhoods will also see a lot.

But that is also just one of many things that can be an issue. It is part of compounding problems.

So what you're trying to tell me is that traditional public schools are so ill-prepared to handle mid-year joiners the performance of an entire cohort suffers? That is nonsense.

I have my problems with the traditional public school system, but they're not that incompetent.

 

[Grand Mal]

These despicable public unions are part of the progressive regulatory state, which is why this belongs in government regulation forum.

Anyway, Thomas Sowell points out the results of a charter school which rents space inside of a government-run school (timestamped):



Just like in the healthcare industry, these terrible outcomes are the result of putting the interests of the workers ahead of what's best for consumers.

School teachers in Canada, Finland and Estonia are all unionised and those nations consistently are in the top ten PISA scores.

 

[Linc]

Public schools are run by school boards elected by the public, not the ‘government boogieman’ the republican liars will always be liars about.

Republicans want to take you back to pre-Teddy Roosevelt days when there were no ‘weekends’, no child labor laws, no public schools for the poor kids of every color.

 

[AZRWinger]

Public schools are run by school boards elected by the public, not the ‘government boogieman’ the republican liars will always be liars about.

As we have seen with at least 85% of the content in this forum, being elected doesn't mean the winner can do no wrong if you're not in the Democrat party.

Republicans want to take you back to pre-Teddy Roosevelt days when there were no ‘weekends’, no child labor laws, no public schools for the poor kids of every color.

Classic demagoguery with no basis in fact.

 

[aociswundumho]

Republicans want to take you back to pre-Teddy Roosevelt days when there were no ‘weekends’, no child labor laws, no public schools for the poor kids of every color.

Another progressive who doesn't know anything about progressivism. Teddy Roosevelt, one of the founders of progressivism, was a white supremacist:

How Teddy Roosevelt's Belief in a Racial Hierarchy Shaped His Policies | HISTORY

His conviction that white men of European descent were innately superior informed his actions on matters from national parks to foreign policy.

www.history.com

 

[Roycarn]

These despicable public unions are part of the progressive regulatory state, which is why this belongs in government regulation forum.

Anyway, Thomas Sowell points out the results of a charter school which rents space inside of a government-run school (timestamped):



Just like in the healthcare industry, these terrible outcomes are the result of putting the interests of the workers ahead of what's best for consumers.

I think if you had a school choice system where disadvantaged kids get more funding per head than those of more affluent backgrounds, more progressives would be willing to support such a program.

 

[Linc]

As we have seen with at least 85% of the content in this forum, being elected doesn't mean the winner can do no wrong if you're not in the Democrat party.

Classic demagoguery with no basis in fact.

Arizona is a disaster for vouchers.

 

[tharock220]

Charter schools are run brilliantly. Non performers are gradually removed so that when students reach high school, every one of them is clearly interested in being there.

Other countries do this as well. In the Netherlands, if you're a not a high performer in middle school, you can expect to have your education finished by 16. Then you'll enter the workforce. If you're a high performer, you stay in school until 18 then get to attend a university.

 

[roguenuke]

Charter schools are run brilliantly. Non performers are gradually removed so that when students reach high school, every one of them is clearly interested in being there.

Other countries do this as well. In the Netherlands, if you're a not a high performer in middle school, you can expect to have your education finished by 16. Then you'll enter the workforce. If you're a high performer, you stay in school until 18 then get to attend a university.

The Netherlands actually invest in their students, going with a whole student approach, including mental health evaluations and recognizing the needs of the students. That is not what is being done here, including with charter schools.

 

[tharock220]

The Netherlands actually invest in their students, going with a whole student approach, including mental health evaluations and recognizing the needs of the students. That is not what is being done here, including with charter schools.

You're just making shit up. What's not debateable is that the Dutch equivalent of sixth graders are given an exam that, along with their academic performance up to that point, determines the rest of their educational career.

 

[roguenuke]

You're just making shit up. What's not debateable is that the Dutch equivalent of sixth graders are given an exam that, along with their academic performance up to that point, determines the rest of their educational career.

I was actually thinking of Finland, but they aren't that far off. Again, they have a different approach to schooling. Its part of being in the EU.

Wellbeing at school

Schools are key to the promotion of mental health and wellbeing among young people, as these are environments where they spend considerable time during their developmental years. This is why addressing the wellbeing of both pupils and teachers is at the core of the European Education Area.

education.ec.europa.eu

Like Finland, which is commonly compared to the Netherlands, and often ranked number 1 in education, they have to actually pay attention to the mental health of the students.

Why Are Finland's Schools Successful?

The country's achievements in education have other nations, especially the United States, doing their homework

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[tharock220]

I was actually thinking of Finland, but they aren't that far off. Again, they have a different approach to schooling. Its part of being in the EU.

Wellbeing at school

Schools are key to the promotion of mental health and wellbeing among young people, as these are environments where they spend considerable time during their developmental years. This is why addressing the wellbeing of both pupils and teachers is at the core of the European Education Area.

education.ec.europa.eu

Like Finland, which is commonly compared to the Netherlands, and often ranked number 1 in education, they have to actually pay attention to the mental health of the students.

Why Are Finland's Schools Successful?

The country's achievements in education have other nations, especially the United States, doing their homework

www.smithsonianmag.com

Finland does the same thing as The Netherlands. Students are separated into different tracks based on their perceived "ability" at a certain age. Germany too. Non performing students can expect to not have a university education in their future, a decision that was not made by them or their parents.

 

[roguenuke]

Finland does the same thing as The Netherlands. Students are separated into different tracks based on their perceived "ability" at a certain age. Germany too. Non performing students can expect to not have a university education in their future, a decision that was not made by them or their parents.

My kids do that here in the US. Not sure why you are concentrating on that. My sons in our school are on 2 different paths. One is full academic classes, expecting to go to college. My youngest, who has learning disabilities, is on an occupational path that means he'll have to do so much time working during some of his school time when he reaches the upper 2 grades.

Again, none of that has anything to do with how well the education system works there.

 

[NJBob]

Finland does the same thing as The Netherlands. Students are separated into different tracks based on their perceived "ability" at a certain age.

That can be a problem for kids that are late bloomers.

 

[AFrench88]

Not even Republicans here in Texas want Gov. Greg Abbott's Charter School bullshit. WHAT ABOUT SPECIAL NEEDS kids? It will all just be for-profit. They will churn these poor kids in-and-out and just try to get them through Each Grade whether they learn or not.

 

[devildavid]

Charter schools are government run schools.

 

[tharock220]

That can be a problem for kids that are late bloomers.

That's my biggest objection. Making decisions for the rest of someeone's life based on what they do at 12 is dumb. Then again, have you seen some of the surgeries the left supports for 12 year olds?