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A charter school vs a government-run school - in the same building

Well, considering a charter school can HAVE A WAIT LIST means that they are not an apples to apples comparison. Public schools don’t get to cap their maximum classroom sizes or enrollment. And they don’t even get a chance to say to parents “well, we really only offer speech therapy and OT…if their needs are more extensive than that, this may not be the best fit”

They get new students whenever a new family moves into the district, decides to no longer homeschool, decides to no longer attend (or is thrown out of) a private school, etc. Whomever that brings to their doors. It could be brand new immigrants that don’t speak English, it could be a new child moving to the district with a disability they don’t currently offer services for, it could be quite literally when an entire new development goes up for sale and 10 new families move to town.

Charter and private schools do not have that responsibility and obligation.
The wait list is because parents are fleeing public schools and the teacher's union fights that tooth and nail as do the Democrat politicians in any state where voters want charter schools. They put out lies that they cost more when in fact the cost per child is far less.
 
The wait list is because parents are fleeing public schools and the teacher's union fights that tooth and nail as do the Democrat politicians in any state where voters want charter schools. They put out lies that they cost more when in fact the cost per child is far less.
Huh?

Who claimed charter schools cost more?
 
Your question doesn't speak to the studies that show superior student outcomes in MA charters since you've not even attempted to quantify the impact of students who join a school mid-year. Do you have any such data?
Ducking the question I see. I asked you a simple question and you won’t/can’t answer.
 
Huh?

Who claimed charter schools cost more?
Some have. Especially our governor here in Arizona who is fighting charter schools against the will of the people.
 
Still waiting for some right-winger to debunk this:

 
I answered your question. You have not answered mine.

You never answered the question. Let me help you out, the question is:

Public education ends up providing schools of last resort, or do you deny that’s the case?
 
You never answered the question. Let me help you out, the question is:

Public education ends up providing schools of last resort, or do you deny that’s the case?
No, I don't deny that is the case, and I acknowledged it my earlier post.

Now, when are you going to answer my question?
 
Doesn't the Americans with disabilities act cover that?
Only for public school in reality unless the school is specially set up for kids with those disabilities, which are far more expensive than those without them.

Private schools and charter schools wouldn't directly say they were denying my son for those things. They'd say something like "we are unequipped to handle your child's special needs" or "we don't feel this would be a good fit for your family". In many cases, kids with special needs don't just have one thing but multiple. But even if just one, they could simply let the families know that if they miss so many days, even excused, they will be kicked out and risk that during the middle of the school year.



The fact of the matter is that students enrolled in private schools by their parents do not have the same right to special education under the law as students enrolled in public schools. Students with disabilities attending public schools have the educational right to a Free Appropriate Public Education (FAPE). The operative words here being public education.
 
No, I don't deny that is the case, and I acknowledged it my earlier post.
Thank you. Then comparing public to charter schools is really an apples to oranges comparison.

Now, when are you going to answer my question?
Remind me of the question, I’ll answer it best I can.
 
Charter schools are public schools. They are still part of the local school district and subject to the same regulations as other public schools. They just are freer to experiment and focus on specific areas. Some charter schools are doing a great job, while others are not.
 
The wait list is because parents are fleeing public schools and the teacher's union fights that tooth and nail as do the Democrat politicians in any state where voters want charter schools. They put out lies that they cost more when in fact the cost per child is far less.
They are costing more because most using them never attended any public schools.

 
Charter schools are public schools. They are still part of the local school district and subject to the same regulations as other public schools. They just are freer to experiment and focus on specific areas. Some charter schools are doing a great job, while others are not.
They are much more like a hybrid. They can't get funding from local taxes but they can refuse students. They should be used sparingly.
 
Only for public school in reality unless the school is specially set up for kids with those disabilities, which are far more expensive than those without them.

Private schools and charter schools wouldn't directly say they were denying my son for those things. They'd say something like "we are unequipped to handle your child's special needs" or "we don't feel this would be a good fit for your family". In many cases, kids with special needs don't just have one thing but multiple. But even if just one, they could simply let the families know that if they miss so many days, even excused, they will be kicked out and risk that during the middle of the school year.


Having said that, the public school district where the child resides and the private school are expected to collaborate to provide a private school child with special education services, and IDEA 2004 includes new provisions to ensure that students in private elementary and secondary schools have access to special education services.
 
Thank you. Then comparing public to charter schools is really an apples to oranges comparison.
No, what you're implying is incorrect. The difference you're citing does not invalidate the results of these studies. You would need to prove that A) students joining mid-year are a drag on test scores and B) there have been sufficient numbers of these students to draw into question the results of these studies. You have done neither.

Remind me of the question, I’ll answer it best I can.
The question: I assert MA public charter schools outperform MA traditional public schools with the same kinds of students. I have cited dozens of studies that support this assertion. So do tell, why should I believe otherwise?
 
Having said that, the public school district where the child resides and the private school are expected to collaborate to provide a private school child with special education services, and IDEA 2004 includes new provisions to ensure that students in private elementary and secondary schools have access to special education services.
Serving a whopping 800 students?

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Sorry, no. You are citing trivial excuses for not accepting the results of these studies.
Nothing trivial about the difference between one school taking every student that comes, mid semester, immediately, regardless of how crowded they already are......and another that only takes students that apply 10 months in advance and only when numbers permit.

That is a massive difference not a trivial one.

Charter schools shouldn't get a dime of public money unless they also, take all students immediately.
 
The question: I assert MA public charter schools outperform MA traditional public schools with the same kinds of students. I have cited dozens of studies that support this assertion. So do tell, why should I believe otherwise?
Perhaps MA charter schools do but that’s not the case everywhere.

Charter schools have their place, inner cities for instance, but they aren’t a replacement for all public schools.
 
These despicable public unions are part of the progressive regulatory state, which is why this belongs in government regulation forum.

Anyway, Thomas Sowell points out the results of a charter school which rents space inside of a government-run school (timestamped):



Just like in the healthcare industry, these terrible outcomes are the result of putting the interests of the workers ahead of what's best for consumers.

Oh, stop.

Those unions were created to protect teachers from red state scumbags.

DO NOT attempt to compare unions to racists. That is shameful and despicable.
 
The private schools I live by have the right to reject whoever they wish. There is no way they would take disruptive students, special needs, etc, etc.........
Where I live there are charter schools specializing in helping students expelled from public schools for disciplinary reasons. They have strict conduct codes and require uniforms. Parents flock to enroll their kids. There are also charters that specialize in special needs students.

So, your complaint is parents cannot use vouchers to send students with disciplinary problems to disrupt charter schools? Or, they can't send special needs students to charters no better equipped to help them than public schools? Why wouldn't a parent want to send their child to the school most likely to help them?
 
assert MA public charter schools outperform MA traditional public schools with the same kinds of students. I have cited dozens of studies that support this assertion. So do tell, why should I believe otherwise
They don’t have the same student bodies.

Perhaps the most explicit law regarding students with disabilities in charter schools deals with funding; charter schools are exempt from educating any student with a disability whose educational placement extends beyond that of a classroom — such as home, hospital, or private institution (ibid, 603 CMR 1.08[3

I think each state would have its own requirements. This is a state matter and not federal anyway. Carter, like Biden was an awful president.
Nope - there is federal law.

Not state.

I’m sorry you don’t respect laws 🤷‍♀️
 
Nothing trivial about the difference between one school taking every student that comes, mid semester, immediately, regardless of how crowded they already are......and another that only takes students that apply 10 months in advance and only when numbers permit.

That is a massive difference not a trivial one.
What proof do you have this is a "massive difference?"

Charter schools shouldn't get a dime of public money unless they also, take all students immediately.
That is ridiculous.
 
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