A call for War.

[Captain America]

Well, the population of the United states is estimated to be somewhat above 314 Million, the militia is every citizen BUT the legal definition is every able bodied male aged 17-45 capable of military service to be called up for drills during a time of need per the militia act. Regulate as stated in the second amendment means "to be in regular working order" which is the oldest definition of the word, that basically means to obtain a proficiency with weapons and tactics towards defense of the republic in the case of a deputization or draft.

Thanks. And these archaic rules have what to do with 2013 again?

Since I am now over the age of 45 do I still have to keep my weapons in working order and stay proficient on them? Is that a requirement for all males aged 17-45? To keep their guns well maintained and their profiency in weapons and tactics are mandatory?

 

[ARealConservative]

Except nobody is trying to take away your rights or your right to bear arms. The far right is all ginned up and drunk on their own paranoia and self induced hyper-extremism based on their own belief system.

nobody?

he hand selected 4 kids to help deliver his message

Did Obama lie to Julia, or are you lying to me?

The Associated Press: In letters, children ask Obama to change gun laws

"I know that laws have to be passed by Congress but I beg you to try very hard to make guns not allowed. Not just for me, but for the whole United States," Julia wrote, signing the letter with "my love and regrets."
From the stage, Obama responded: "Julia, I will try very hard."

 

[Masada]

Except nobody is trying to take away your rights or your right to bear arms. The far right is all ginned up and drunk on their own paranoia and self induced hyper-extremism based on their own belief system.

Nobody? Really? Hmm....I suppose you haven't seen what's going on in NY, and the previous comments made by Cuomo, Feinstein and others on the left. I'm surprised you haven't heard all the liberals calling for confiscation, bullet regulation, more regulation on guns etc. I suppose we're supposed to ignore the philosophy of Nancy Pelosi, when she so articulately explained that if liberals cant go through the front door, they'll go through the back, or a window, or whatever it takes to accomplish their goals. Yes, we should just ignore that for 40 years, limiting or eliminating the second amendment has been a liberal wet dream.

If you honestly believe that many very powerful liberals aren't trying to take away our second amendment rights, you need to be hit on the head and brought back to reality! The left is the group that's all "ginned up". They are exploiting a horrible tragedy in an attempt to regulate gun ownership in america. That's pretty "ginned up" Ide say.

You need to ponder what you stand for. Because you seem to place a great deal of trust on this issue in the hands of people who have already allowed guns to be purchased illegally, then illegally "walked" across our borders, land in the hands of drug dealers and cartels, only to wind up being used to shoot US citizens. then they lied through their teeth about it. So, let's translate that shall we? Evidently the Obama administration thinks it's a good idea to limit certain types of guns in this country, but thinks it's also a good idea to ship those same guns to drug dealers and cartels! But by all means man, defend away!!!

 

[tech30528]

You would be a fool to believe that any of this is due to these shootings. They have been trying to push this same issue for decades now. They are merely using the deaths of these children to further thier political agenda. If the really wanted to create laws that could prevent or save lives they would do away with the ridiculous "gun free zones", that is the most common factor in all these mass shootings. When we stop denying people the right to defend themselves it would be much safer.

Couldn't agree more. The tactic is called "reframing", a common practice in politics and psychology. In this case the REAL goal (disarming the public) is masked by "We've got to save the children!" Well, I'm happy to go there. If it's all about the children then the first thing we need to do is stop killing them. So when a liberal suggests changes in guns laws (for the children) then I will suggest we defund Planned Parenthood. My argument will save vastly more children than new gun laws, and will actually SAVE money rather than cost money. Just stop giving PP money. And of course the next argument on the playlist is "it's cheaper to kill abort these children than it is to raise them". And that's true. But the liberals have already shown that they have no qualms with increasing spending on welfare programs and no issues with debt or deficit spending, so we can disconnect the two issues right there.

If you want to save the children, stop killing them. It's that simple.

 

[mak2]

My weapon is still in fine working order, and I am 53.

Thanks. And these archaic rules have what to do with 2013 again?

Since I am now over the age of 45 do I still have to keep my weapons in working order and stay proficient on them? Is that a requirement for all males aged 17-45? To keep their guns well maintained and their profiency in weapons and tactics are mandatory?

 

[Masada]

Couldn't agree more. The tactic is called "reframing", a common practice in politics and psychology. In this case the REAL goal (disarming the public) is masked by "We've got to save the children!" Well, I'm happy to go there. If it's all about the children then the first thing we need to do is stop killing them. So when a liberal suggests changes in guns laws (for the children) then I will suggest we defund Planned Parenthood. My argument will save vastly more children than new gun laws, and will actually SAVE money rather than cost money. Just stop giving PP money. And of course the next argument on the playlist is "it's cheaper to kill abort these children than it is to raise them". And that's true. But the liberals have already shown that they have no qualms with increasing spending on welfare programs and no issues with debt or deficit spending, so we can disconnect the two issues right there.

If you want to save the children, stop killing them. It's that simple.

Well said.....

If it's about the children.....stop aborting them.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Sure, but it all boils down to one thing. He hasn't done anything yet. So leave the violence out of the equation.

And there it is. Denial, incremental creep, feigned outrage, all the favorite tools of the left.

Obama has made statements in the past that he would take guns away from the public if he could. Feinstein has done the same, so has Cuomo. Now Obama has put out a pile of executive orders to take steps toward his goals, but only after he scaled them back. His original intent was much farther reaching but he was informed that he did not have the legal authority. So instead he used a bunch of suggestions that while not having much effect on gun ownership (except for driving up prices, selling out existing stock of guns and ammo and in effect drastically increasing the number of first time gun owners) to stir up his base. He DID however somehow manage to spend 4 1/2 billion dollars doing nothing.

The left is very good at driving slowly but steadily toward a goal while acting like the victim. A small move here (did we get away with that? Let's push it a little further) a small move there ("Your health insurance premiums will go down $2500 a year". Oh wait, that didn't happen. Do you think they noticed?) and the next thing you know government has control they never said they wanted. And once government acquires a new power they don't let it go.

Here's the thing people. WE DON'T TRUST YOU. We have been lied to enough times that we are not falling for it anymore. It's not one measurable step that concerns us, it's an overall theme. In the beginning we were willing to discuss it, but no more. It's a giant game of "just the tip", and we're not playing.

 

[YoungConserv]

A well regulated militia

What does regulated mean? How many gun owners are in these militias?

How can you have a well regulated militia if the militia refuses to be regulated?

Hmmmmm????

Separated by surround it with commas meaning its a separate idea altogether learn some grammar!

 

[tech30528]

Sure, but it all boils down to one thing. He hasn't done anything yet. So leave the violence out of the equation.

Knowing what we would like to see as a final outcome is enough information to be able to make the decision to not allow it. What you are suggesting is no different than waiting until the robbery has taken place to do anything about it. And yet you are willing to take rights away from people to prevent the small percentage of crimes committed. Make up your mind. Are we taki9ng preemptive actions or not? Because if we apply your logic on gun control to shootings you would be prosecuting the shooters after the fact rather than acting preemptively.

 

[SMTA]

Why dont these sherrifs declare war anyway because we are not allowed to have automatic weapons without a restrictive tax that I cannot afford to pay? I really would like to have an M60.

It's not the $200 tax stamp that you can't afford, it is the cost of any class3 weapon.

 

[Captain America]

Separated by surround it with commas meaning its a separate idea altogether learn some grammar!

Was that like a sentence or something? Talk about MY grammar? LOL!

 

[LaMidRighter]

Thanks. And these archaic rules have what to do with 2013 again?

Since I am now over the age of 45 do I still have to keep my weapons in working order and stay proficient on them? Is that a requirement for all males aged 17-45? To keep their guns well maintained and their profiency in weapons and tactics are mandatory?

They have everything to do with 2013. The reason a Sheriff or Police chief can deputize citizens is directly because of the militia clause, the reason we are ALL considered the militia is due to homefront defense. Now, where it gets interesting in that women, children, et al still contribute to the common defense but are not expected to nor required to serve in a direct fight. The militia act pertains to those expected to defend our country directly.

 

[Captain America]

I see the new buzz word is "incremental." I am going to have to start watching FOXNews more often so I can keep up. LOL!

 

[Captain America]

They have everything to do with 2013. The reason a Sheriff or Police chief can deputize citizens is directly because of the militia clause, the reason we are ALL considered the militia is due to homefront defense. Now, where it gets interesting in that women, children, et al still contribute to the common defense but are not expected to nor required to serve in a direct fight. The militia act pertains to those expected to defend our country directly.

Thanks for the info.

I heard somewhere that there is still a law on the books that says anyone who drives into Houston with a horseless carriage has to notify the mayor first.

 

[tech30528]

I see the new buzz word is "incremental." I am going to have to start watching FOXNews more often so I can keep up. LOL!

Well thanks for the recognition, but I don't watch Fox News. Here's another one for you: Emotional Terrorism. It's the practice of scaring people in to giving up their rights for false security.

 

[joko104]

One does have to register to vote

There also needs to be background checks, certainly a current ID, and a long form to fill out including swearing you don't smoke pot under threat of perjury etc before voting. You do agree, right?

 

[Captain America]

Well thanks for the recognition, but I don't watch Fox News. Here's another one for you: Emotional Terrorism. It's the practice of scaring people in to giving up their rights for false security.

Or scaring them into running down to Gander Mountain to buy up all the ammo. LOL!

 

[LaMidRighter]

Thanks for the info.

I heard somewhere that there is still a law on the books that says anyone who drives into Houston with a horseless carriage has to notify the mayor first.

Well, there are plenty of archaic laws you can point to on the books that have no enforcement or legal standing. The militia laws are still the law of the land, and avoiding the draft is still a criminal charge.

 

[Captain America]

Well, there are plenty of archaic laws you can point to on the books that have no enforcement or legal standing. The militia laws are still the law of the land, and avoiding the draft is still a criminal charge.

Not if you're Ted Nugent. LOL!

 

[ARealConservative]

I see the new buzz word is "incremental." I am going to have to start watching FOXNews more often so I can keep up. LOL!

I believe I was the first in this thread to use the word incremental.

I don’t watch fox news.

I do pay attention to what he president says, and who he surrounds himself with.

I certainly noticed he surrounded himself with atleast one person calling for an outright ban on citizens owning guns. He singled that person out as well promising to work hard to pursue those same goals.

 

[LaMidRighter]

Not if you're Ted Nugent. LOL!

Regardless, it's a criminal charge.

 

[Captain America]

I believe I was the first in this thread to use the word incremental.

I don’t watch fox news.

I do pay attention to what he president says, and who he surrounds himself with.

I certainly noticed he surrounded himself with atleast one person calling for an outright ban on citizens owning guns. He singled that person out as well promising to work hard to pursue those same goals.

Oh noes! Seriously? Gotta link? Obama wants an outright ban on citizens owning guns? And you say you don't watch FOXNews?

Man, where have I been? I am so out of touch.

I want to see a source, a REAL source, that quotes Obama saying, "I promise to work hard to see that an outright ban is placed on citizens owning guns."

I'll wait here at the snack bar while you go find it.

 

[ARealConservative]

Oh noes! Seriously? Gotta link? Obama wants an outright ban on citizens owning guns? And you say you don't watch FOXNews?

Man, where have I been? I am so out of touch.

I posted the link twice in this thread.

 

[Goshin]

A number of states are passing laws or resolutions saying they will resist any Federal order to confiscate guns, or refusing to comply with any Fed gun control they consider against the 2A. Also many Sheriffs, including my own, are speaking out and saying we've compromised the 2A far enough already and no more Fed intervention will be tolerated or cooperated with.

It's a warning to those smart enough to listen, and the translation, for those who don't get it, is "we've compromised as much as we're going to."

 

[ARealConservative]

Oh noes! Seriously? Gotta link? Obama wants an outright ban on citizens owning guns? And you say you don't watch FOXNews?

Man, where have I been? I am so out of touch.

I want to see a source, a REAL source, that quotes Obama saying, "I promise to work hard to see that an outright ban is placed on citizens owning guns."

I'll wait here at the snack bar while you go find it.

Nobody gives a rats ass where you wait. I doubt you can deal with an issue of this importance with any integrity anyway

As I mentioned several times, Obama hand selected people to appear on stage with. He could of chosen anybody. He chose someone that wants a total ban on weapons.

I can certainly be honest about it. We don’t really know who Obama is pandering to here. He could be lying to us, or he could be lying to the person he hand picked to go on stage with.

All I can say with certainty is he is lying to someone.

The Associated Press: In letters, children ask Obama to change gun laws