conservativeguy
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Throwing a hissty fit and flaming people is against the ToS.
Except with many Republicans when it comes to Gays, Lesbians and Muslims right?
Social conservatives are liberals with a sliver of fiscal conservative in them.
Any reasonable definition of "conservative" would support my comment.
Social conservatives are liberals with a sliver of fiscal conservative in them.
Why would anyone choose to be liberal with money? It's only a recipe for bankruptcy.
My bad. I should have said "conservatives that say they are social liberals but fiscally conservative". Those people are liberals......period. You can not be socially liberal and conservative on fiscal matters since liberal social issues utilize taxpayers monies. A true conservative believes tax dollars should not be used to advance social engineering, especially liberal engineering.WTH? Social conservatives are pro-choice, legalization of drugs, pro-gay marriage, against church and state, against school prayer, against creationism, etc. who want to cut taxes on the rich in order to balance the budget?
Social conservatives are not liberal at all. You are just making stuff up.
Haha! So you've just excluded a large portion of conservatives in order to fit your definition of what a "conservative" is.
Like I care. Unlike liberals that worship a "big tent" philosophy to validate their unsual political perspective, conservatives aren't dependent on group acceptance of their principles.......that is why they are conservative. This isn't real complex.
Children are not ACCIDENTS. Children are what can happen when two individuals make a choice to engage in a certain act. Even if those individuals are on birth control, using condoms, etc... I have a friend who just had her second child about 4 months ago; and almost 10 years after having her tubes tied. When FATE makes a decision, there are no ACCIDENTS.
This is why I think social conservatism is an oxymoron - it is essentially an appeal to a big and intrusive government to instill a certain brand of morality on everyone else through the use of force.
My bad. I should have said "conservatives that say they are social liberals but fiscally conservative". Those people are liberals......period. You can not be socially liberal and conservative on fiscal matters since liberal social issues utilize taxpayers monies. A true conservative believes tax dollars should not be used to advance social engineering, especially liberal engineering.
FWIW - your definition of a social conservative is laughable.
It's only an oxymoron to people who don't know any better.
Then tell me how using the government to curb gay marriage and curb gays from openly serving in the military, using government to force pregnancies, using the government to instill morality through a failed war on drugs, using the government to promote religion, and using the government to export Western values at the barrel of a gun is not an application of big government. Even a social conservative on this board was noble enough to admit that he subscribes to an authoritative platform.
Social conservatives have dominated the Republican Party since Reagan and what have Republicans done since then? They expanded and bloated the government.
It's only an oxymoron to people who don't know any better.
Very simple... If you return to a proper social order, then many of the ills that have created the financial crisis cease to exist.... The prison population goes down when you start executing violent offenders. Welfare, social security, unemployment, etc... all get washed off the books because there is no legitimate mandate for such government programs. Marriage and proper family management reduces the number of unwed mothers, single parent families, and the need for many other social services. I'm sure you can see where I'm going here.
Conservatism does not mean one application consistently in all areas. It, like liberalism, can embrace seemingly contradictory notions to form a cohesive argument. Conservatism throughout, for instance, American history has held two different beliefs on size of government: big and small. In one way, the two are coherent in that it is typically an expression for maintenance of accountability of the individual's actions. Big government conservatives may embrace a much older conservative notion that if men were angels, government would not be needed. Further, being a social conservative may stand in the adherence of traditional moral values, through government action or not.
And no, I would not be so confident in that description of the Republican party. Many times, the generalizations overlook important portions of a political party. In this case, it too does that.
~Barry Goldwater (1909-1998) US Senator (R-Arizona)"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "
StillBallin75 said:Or people who think that conservatism has a singular definition.
An unplanned pregnancy is colloquially termed an "accident." This misses my point entirely. People don't have pre-marital sex expecting to get pregnant. If having a kid is not enough of a deterrent, mandating marriage between the two people probably won't be either.
What is your conception of "proper social order," and how would you go about implementing it?
The GOP used to be hailed as the Big Tent Party.
Like I care. Unlike liberals that worship a "big tent" philosophy to validate their unsual political perspective, conservatives aren't dependent on group acceptance of their principles.......that is why they are conservative. This isn't real complex.
You are aware that Reagans "big tent" philosophy is the reason the Republican party actually became relevant again in politics right?
Yes, and it's one of the reasons that those of us who are True Conservatives spit on his grave.
I dunno dude....sounds like something ideologues typically say...Chinese Communists never thought the USSR ruling party were "true Communists". Conservative and Liberal are broad definitions. I can see if you were a small part of what makes up the conservative specturm but to say there's only one small definition of Conservatism I think is incorrect.
As an ideologue, I will take that as a compliment, ramen. I will agree that Liberal/Progressive is a broad political camp. In terms of real, big "C" Conservatism, I would greatly disagree. Conservatism is about preserving the way that things have been done for hundreds if not thousands of years. It's about a very simple Black v. White mentality. It's about the Status Quo. It's about taking care of yourself and to Hell with everyone else. It's not a difficult concept to wrap one's head around.
Wow, just wow.
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