Groucho
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We all want reform, just not Obama's reform. Where were you last year?
Not on this board.
I agree as well, I don't want Obama's reform, I want a single payer system.
The point of the thread, however, as I stated above, was that there are those who are claiming that the US doesn't want any reform. That is blatantly not true.
Glad to see you're not one of them.
Not on this board.
I agree as well, I don't want Obama's reform, I want a single payer system.
The point of the thread, however, as I stated above, was that there are those who are claiming that the US doesn't want any reform. That is blatantly not true.
Glad to see you're not one of them.
***** You claim you don't want Obama's full plan - but IF they had overidden any GOP Senate filibuster and forged the rudiments of what both Houses initially passed WOULD you be Happy then even if it wasn't exactly what you'd like ????
***** Also can you at present admit that regarding this televised Meeting of the Minds with the GOP that such a suggestion is almost a year too late AND that Obama just wants a big photo op to label Republicans as onstructionist ???
Just thought I'd point this out, because I keep reading and hearing GOP members say that a majority of Americans don't want reform and are happy as can be with the current system. A recent poll show that this is not true:
Poll: Bipartisanship popular, compromise tricky - Behind the Numbers
Further, "nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement."
Seriously, while this obstructionism is doing great with the rank-and-file GOP members, it's not attracting the moderates the GOP needs if they want to win.
Just thought I'd point this out, because I keep reading and hearing GOP members say that a majority of Americans don't want reform and are happy as can be with the current system. A recent poll show that this is not true:
So in Progressive minds 'compromise' now means agree with us or we will label you obstructionist.....Nice.
Sure, 50% of what I want is better than 0%.
Their goal is to keep Obama from passing anything so they can then label him as a "do nothing" President. I mean, come on, how can you deny that this is their strategy?
Up to this point, Republicans were not able to stop anything. Members of his own party carried that banner.:roll:
But the republican plan IS obstructionist.
I'm interested in your statistical analysis of this "Progressive" poll. Care to share?
The final tracking numbers show that 40% of voters nationwide favor the plan while 58% are opposed. Support has remained between 38% and 42% every week since Thanksgiving.
...For months, most voters have believed that passage of the plan would lead to higher costs and lower quality of care. From the beginning of the health care debate, another challenge has been the fact that most Americans have insurance and are generally happy with their coverage. However, 52% of voters fear that they could be forced to change insurance if the health care legislation passes.
Adding to concerns about paying for the plan is the fact that 78% of voters expect it to cost more than projected. Voters overwhelmingly believe passage of the plan will increase the federal deficit and lead to middle-class tax hikes.
Most voters also dislike the propose excise taxes on “Cadillac” health insurance plans. Opposition is even higher when union workers are exempted from that tax, as the White House and Democratic congressional leaders agreed to do last week to get more support for the overall plan.
...Also consistent throughout the health care debate has been the partisan nature of the response. The latest numbers show that 75% of Democrats favor the plan, while 89% of Republicans are opposed. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 30% support the plan, and 66% are opposed....
voters in Conneticut yadda yadda yadda ....
:roll:
I think it's clear that I specifically asked for j-mac's analysis.
j-mac? Can we hear from you?
While most Americans oppose the plan, two reforms in it are supported by more than 70% of the public -- creating a new national insurance exchange and requiring health insurance companies to accept applicants with pre-existing conditions.
Being opposed can also mean that the plan doesn't go far enough.
Just thought I'd point this out, because I keep reading and hearing GOP members say that a majority of Americans don't want reform and are happy as can be with the current system. A recent poll show that this is not true:
Poll: Bipartisanship popular, compromise tricky - Behind the Numbers
Further, "nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement."
Seriously, while this obstructionism is doing great with the rank-and-file GOP members, it's not attracting the moderates the GOP needs if they want to win.
Just thought I'd point this out, because I keep reading and hearing GOP members say that a majority of Americans don't want reform and are happy as can be with the current system. A recent poll show that this is not true:
Poll: Bipartisanship popular, compromise tricky - Behind the Numbers
Further, "nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement."
Seriously, while this obstructionism is doing great with the rank-and-file GOP members, it's not attracting the moderates the GOP needs if they want to win.
it can, but that's not the position of the vast majority of opponents.
Just thought I'd point this out, because I keep reading and hearing GOP members say that a majority of Americans don't want reform and are happy as can be with the current system. A recent poll show that this is not true:
Poll: Bipartisanship popular, compromise tricky - Behind the Numbers
Further, "nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement."
Seriously, while this obstructionism is doing great with the rank-and-file GOP members, it's not attracting the moderates the GOP needs if they want to win.
I see no evidence of that, as noted most want many of the programs they won't get. Remember, a major even favored the public option.
Yes, the people are correct. I'd love some reform. However, as I'm looking at the life-insurance industry and how it was deregulated and forced to underbid itself in order to bring lower costs to customers, I can't help but wonder why can't we do the same thing to the health-care industry?Just thought I'd point this out, because I keep reading and hearing GOP members say that a majority of Americans don't want reform and are happy as can be with the current system. A recent poll show that this is not true:
Poll: Bipartisanship popular, compromise tricky - Behind the Numbers
Further, "nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement."
Seriously, while this obstructionism is doing great with the rank-and-file GOP members, it's not attracting the moderates the GOP needs if they want to win.
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