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17-year-old scolded for crying over transgender woman’s penis at YMCA

Your method relies on women reporting that they saw a dick. How "chicken little" is that?
Next you'll tell me that reports aren't the catch all , and that they might require investigation.

Your post was pretty chicken little, as were Governess's posts.
 
i wanna cry every time i see a really old completely naked man in our locker room.


and why is it that the only totally nude men you see in locker rooms almost always seem to be really, really old and waddling/limping to the shower and back?
Don't cry I am really nice but wrinkled lol.
 
AND once again, does she have a dick?
I think she does, so would you make her use the men's locker room?

Why not just have a policy that says that when changing and showering in the locker rooms, you should be reasonably discreet and respectful to others?
 
Where is the left?
There is no reason that teen girl should have to be exposed to someone's penis in the girls locker room of a YMCA.
Where are all the women's rights activists that would have protested for this young lady? They are really just phonies that don't stand up for what they claim to believe.
Women's rights flushed down the drain by the YMCA.


there are no women's rights anymore because there is no "women"

there are just people, and people deciding if they're a man or woman


isn't that the liberal woke way nowdays ?
 
Darn

Americans are prudes

A penis OMG 😲
It's more about what people expect to see in certain places, and the kind of change where more and more transgender people are using bathrooms and locker rooms will likely perturb those not used to it. These kind of shifts take time. On a side note, I've been an advocate for unisex bathrooms, and I was pleasantly surprised when I went to an event this past weekend it had only unisex bathrooms available. If men and women were more accustomed to seeing each other in these settings, the awkwardness isn't an issue.
 
Past (racial) segregation was based on the ‘one drop’ rule - you were either (purely) white or non-white. That’s the basic problem with any ‘separate but equal’ segregation scheme.
Are you saying that once a man always a man, or trying to ascertain that having a one size fit all bathroom for trans folks is similar to past segregation?
Nope, the “#metoo movement” is about people’s (alleged) actions, not their appearances. That’s not to say that it suffered from serious subjectivity problems, such as, was that touch, speech or look sexual assault or harassment or simply misinterpreted as such?
It is exactly that subjectivity that caused many of the ills of sexual assault which #metoo took and ratcheted up a few notches.

If you are in the wrong gender based bathroom (and you know you have a penis), then you can be prosecuted.
 
Where is the left?
There is no reason that teen girl should have to be exposed to someone's penis in the girls locker room of a YMCA.
Where are all the women's rights activists that would have protested for this young lady? They are really just phonies that don't stand up for what they claim to believe.
Women's rights flushed down the drain by the YMCA.


Why do you expect "the Left" to weigh in on the YMCA, the Young Men's Christian Association?
 
Why can't they install walls like they do in toilets? You go in shut the door and latch it, change Wala
 
there are no women's rights anymore because there is no "women"

there are just people, and people deciding if they're a man or woman


isn't that the liberal woke way nowdays ?
Someone that advocated for abortion to be illegal doesn’t get to tap words about “women’s rights”, sorry.
 
Why can't they install walls like they do in toilets? You go in shut the door and latch it, change Wala
Locker rooms typically aren't designed that way. You have shower stalls then a room that has lockers and benches to sit on. Most people just get out of the shower, walk to their locker wrapped in a towel, and then face their locker as they quickly dress.
 
there are no women's rights anymore because there is no "women"

there are just people, and people deciding if they're a man or woman


isn't that the liberal woke way nowdays ?
Based on my understanding, that's incorrect. What's changed is the spectrum of classification has gotten broader, and that isn't new culturally either since in some cultures these classifications have existed for quite some time. A good example of this is Zapotecan culture which has the muxes designation for people who are born men, but dress and behave like women. There are equivalents to this in other cultures too, like hijras and in Asia and you find this in Pacific Islander culture as well. If you want to refine your support for what's culturally known as "woman" here, then you're referring to cis-gender women.
 
How many public places do you know that allow the different genders to shower together?

They claim to be of (self-designate as?) the same (proper?) gender. That’s a problem with folks being able to self-designate, choose and/or change their gender without need of any ‘official’ authorization. Apparently one (regardless of age?) can be a self-declared man (male) one minute and a self-declared woman (female) the next minute (or vice versa).

There is plenty of precedent for indecent exposure when one gender flashes another.

Only in areas where such exposure isn’t accepted as normal.

Because the genders of trans people aren't all the same.

OK, but trans people claim to be (self-designate as?) either a man (male) or a woman (female).

Or maybe since the % of trans folks are so incredibly small, maybe one shower stall /changing room is sufficient to handle any and all comers.,

Hmm… now that you are into “maybe”, why not let go of the idea of having ‘separate but equal’ segregation entirely?
 
Are you saying that once a man always a man, or trying to ascertain that having a one size fit all bathroom for trans folks is similar to past segregation?

Nope I’m saying that having ‘separate but equal’ segregation is ridiculous and unconstitutional.

It is exactly that subjectivity that caused many of the ills of sexual assault which #metoo took and ratcheted up a few notches.

If you are in the wrong gender based bathroom (and you know you have a penis), then you can be prosecuted.

Nope.
 
A transgender with a penis should change clothes in a room for people with penises.

Call the news.
You'd then start bitching and crying about the cost to create the room.
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There's not a 17 yr old in the world, who has not seen a 'sex organs"!!! unless they have some condition that has caused them "lifelong isolation".
 
The fact that you can't address the point says it all.
Well one thing that can easily be done without changing locker rooms (which I can agree with regardless of this thread's) is just common courtesy to others. Use towels, be discrete etc.

Also whats up with US toilet stalls? Why do they suck so bad! I at a gym for while that had these and it was great.
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They claim to be of (self-designate as?) the same (proper?) gender. That’s a problem with folks being able to self-designate, choose and/or change their gender without need of any ‘official’ authorization. Apparently one (regardless of age?) can be a self-declared man (male) one minute and a self-declared woman (female) the next minute (or vice versa).



Only in areas where such exposure isn’t accepted as normal.
I would say that the women's locker room is a pretty safe bet for women not expecting to see penis.
OK, but trans people claim to be (self-designate as?) either a man (male) or a woman (female).
Incorrectly I might add. When they have the full surgery, they are free to change genders (imo) but not until then.
Hmm… now that you are into “maybe”, why not let go of the idea of having ‘separate but equal’ segregation entirely?
My use of maybe is only as a means to satisfy however many parties need satisfying. I am not standing on my podium stating how it WILL be but how possibilities exist to solve the problem rather than the one we've been told to accept by the woke crowd.
 
Nope I’m saying that having ‘separate but equal’ segregation is ridiculous and unconstitutional.
I don't disagree but I also don't see how that is what I was doing.
If the person has had all the gender changing surgeries, then they are free to be the gender they had surgery to become (imo)
We disagree here I suppose. Have the surgery, it clarifies everything.
 
There is a video of the girl

No, there is a video of the girl making a claim. Not of the incident.

And the Post “report” was cribbed out of the Daily Mail, another Murdoch tabloid.

BTW, do you believe that George Santos was a Brazilian drag queen?

Because the Post has that “story” right next to this one.

Besides, this story is only there to entertain and trigger the right wing culture warrior types. Which Is a core Murdoch demographic.

I don‘t know whether it’s true or not. But I do know that the target audience will take it at face value and assume that it is.

The claim is all over right wing trash media, now. They know what triggers their audience.
 
Sure, let’s make policy around an extremely rare scenario (True hermaphroditism) with only 500 ever confirmed cases globally. That makes sense. 🙄
are you still in 1991? It actually represents 5% of all births. So how about let's be realistic and talk facts....because what you quickly looked up on Google wasn't enough. You failed to continue to read on that was a statistic from 1991....which was over 30 years ago.
 
are you still in 1991? It actually represents 5% of all births. So how about let's be realistic and talk facts....because what you quickly looked up on Google wasn't enough. You failed to continue to read on that was a statistic from 1991....which was over 30 years ago.
Link that there are more than 500 confirmed cases of true hermaphroditism?
 
How can race or ethnicity be established based on physical characteristics, immutable and attained at birth, yet not sex?

Oddly, US born Barrack Obama is considered an “African American” (since one parent was black?), yet South African born Elon Musk isn’t (and can never be?) an “African American” (because neither of his parents was black?).

If (white) Ms. Smith marries (Hispanic) Mr. Alvarez does (or can) she (as Mrs. Alvarez) claim to be Hispanic? Would it matter how either of them looked or whether or not they spoke Spanish? Is Mr. Alvarez Hispanic because (one of?) his ancestors was “born that way”? Do the Smith/Alvarez offspring become Hispanic or white? Is that a choice or not?
He is not a black American...he is an Afrikaan American...which is different from African American....even Elon understands the difference..He is either descended from Dutch or German ancestors that tried to colonize South Africa.
 
Guess you have never been to a beach in Europe then.

I'm European, so yes I have. What does that have to do with changing rooms?
 
Well one thing that can easily be done without changing locker rooms (which I can agree with regardless of this thread's) is just common courtesy to others. Use towels, be discrete etc.

Also whats up with US toilet stalls? Why do they suck so bad! I at a gym for while that had these and it was great.
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You make a great point when talking about toilet stalls in the US.

They’re almost universally awful or worse.

And, unlike most advanced countries, there are almost no public restrooms anywhere in the US
 
Interesting the left has no issue with a man pretending to be a woman walking around in front of kids naked. But I’ll be dammed if they should have to see a statue of Gen Lee.

That’s why they have ponies and balloons to pet and cry rooms etc.

Some things do offend them after all.

Who knew.?
How, exactly, does a man pretend to be a woman while he is naked?
 
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