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14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines In The USA

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Apparently this whole wind power thing is falling apart. I can't even imagine how many tax payer dollars have been wasted on this boondoggle and these rusting hulks littering the landscape and killing endangered birds.


"The symbol of Green renewable energy, our saviour from the non existent problem of Global Warming, abandoned wind farms are starting to litter the planet as globally governments cut the subsidies taxes that consumers pay for the privilege of having a very expensive power source that does not work every day for various reasons like it’s too cold or the wind speed is too high.

The US experience with wind farms has left over 14,000 wind turbines abandoned and slowly decaying, in most instances the turbines are just left as symbols of a dying Climate Religion, nowhere have the Green Environmentalists appeared to clear up their mess or even complain about the abandoned wind farms"


" it is in California where the impact of past mandates and subsidies is felt most strongly. Thousands of abandoned wind turbines littered the landscape of wind energy’s California “big three” locations—Altamont Pass, Tehachapi (above), and San Gorgonio—considered among the world’s best wind sites…
California’s wind farms— comprising about 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity—ceased to generate much more quickly than Kamaoa. In the best wind spots on earth, over 14,000 turbines were simply abandoned. Spinning, post-industrial junk which generates nothing but bird kills…”
“It’s a bubble which bursts as soon as the government subsidies end” therein lies a lesson that is going be learnt by those that sought to make fortunes out of tax payer subsidies, the whole renewables industry of solar, wind and biomass is just an artificial bubble incapable of surviving without subsides from governments and tax payers which many businesses and NGO’s like WWF, FoE and Greenpeace now think is their god given right, as the money is going on Green Climate Religion approved clean energy.

The Green evangelists who push so hard for these wind farms, as usual have not thought the whole idea through, no surprises for a left agenda like Climate Change, which like all things Green and socialist is just a knee jerk reaction:

The problem with wind farms when they are abandoned is getting the turbines removed, as usual there are non Green environmentalists to be seen:

14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines In The USA | Tory Aardvark
 
If they're no longer working whoever put them there should pay whatever it costs to remove them from the landscape.
 
All is not lost, no that the technology exists to store the excess energy as hydrocarbon fuels,
these turbines could start producing high grad fuel.
The best option would be something that is expensive like jet fuel.
Diesel might also be a good alternative, trucking and railroad companies could power their fleets.
the costs just have to be a bit less than they normally pay, to make it worth while.
The article mentioned Hawaii, if Hawaii could make their own fuel, it might be the first to compete
with organic fuel, due to the high cost there.
 
If they're no longer working whoever put them there should pay whatever it costs to remove them from the landscape.

Chances are thats John Q Public. But some political cronies made $ on it back when they went up.
 


Fact check: About those 'abandoned' turbines ...


The following article is cross-posted from the Barnard on Wind blog with permission of the author, Mike Barnard.

Anti-wind lobbyists claim more than 1 in 20 wind turbines permanently inactive; they're wrong, as usual.

There’s an anti-wind energy myth floating around that refuses to die. The most recent sighting was in the official policy of an Australian political party, the Democratic Labour Party of Australia. [11] What is the myth?
That there are 14,000 permanently inactive wind turbines out there somewhere.
...
Tory Aardvark, the climate-change denying bastion of disinformation, likes the U.S.-only version, although its blog entry quotes the origination of the myth which talks about the world-wide number, so Aardvark manages to get it wrong twice in one post. [12] This level of inaccuracy is fairly typical of that anonymous blog, so it isn’t surprising.
 
Apparently this whole wind power thing is falling apart. I can't even imagine how many tax payer dollars have been wasted on this boondoggle and these rusting hulks littering the landscape and killing endangered birds.
... not really. I'm not certain where your website is getting it's abandoned turbine numbers from, but this arises from company-specific problems, not the industry "falling apart." What's not widely understood is that wind power is still an emerging technology. The efficacy of wind is increasing every year and older turbines are made less and less cost effective each year they're in service.

Wind companies, and some are worse than others, have been failing to decommission their old turbines and have opted to leave them rot and not spend the money to clean up after themselves. Companies that invested too much too early -- and are now being bankrupted by start ups with more efficient turbines -- are failing to decommission their old turbines entirely.

If they're no longer working whoever put them there should pay whatever it costs to remove them from the landscape.
Wind companies operate like any other industry. You have some industries that go above and beyond what's necessary to operate great companies, and then you have others that dump chemicals in the local river in the middle of the night so that they don't have to spend the disposal costs.
 
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Apparently this whole wind power thing is falling apart. I can't even imagine how many tax payer dollars have been wasted on this boondoggle and these rusting hulks littering the landscape and killing endangered birds.


"The symbol of Green renewable energy, our saviour from the non existent problem of Global Warming, abandoned wind farms are starting to litter the planet as globally governments cut the subsidies taxes that consumers pay for the privilege of having a very expensive power source that does not work every day for various reasons like it’s too cold or the wind speed is too high.

The US experience with wind farms has left over 14,000 wind turbines abandoned and slowly decaying, in most instances the turbines are just left as symbols of a dying Climate Religion, nowhere have the Green Environmentalists appeared to clear up their mess or even complain about the abandoned wind farms"


" it is in California where the impact of past mandates and subsidies is felt most strongly. Thousands of abandoned wind turbines littered the landscape of wind energy’s California “big three” locations—Altamont Pass, Tehachapi (above), and San Gorgonio—considered among the world’s best wind sites…
California’s wind farms— comprising about 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity—ceased to generate much more quickly than Kamaoa. In the best wind spots on earth, over 14,000 turbines were simply abandoned. Spinning, post-industrial junk which generates nothing but bird kills…”
“It’s a bubble which bursts as soon as the government subsidies end” therein lies a lesson that is going be learnt by those that sought to make fortunes out of tax payer subsidies, the whole renewables industry of solar, wind and biomass is just an artificial bubble incapable of surviving without subsides from governments and tax payers which many businesses and NGO’s like WWF, FoE and Greenpeace now think is their god given right, as the money is going on Green Climate Religion approved clean energy.

The Green evangelists who push so hard for these wind farms, as usual have not thought the whole idea through, no surprises for a left agenda like Climate Change, which like all things Green and socialist is just a knee jerk reaction:

The problem with wind farms when they are abandoned is getting the turbines removed, as usual there are non Green environmentalists to be seen:

14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines In The USA | Tory Aardvark

The one that I'm familiar with is up in Traverse City. It's hardly ever turning, and from what I gather, has changed hands a number of times in the vain attempt to make it a profitable enterprise. While this may not be representative of all, some, or even most, seems that it's something that shouldn't be jumped into willy-nilly.

All that public money spent on market distortion down the drain. So much for that 'Green Technology Recovery' Obama was hawking a while back. Yeah, he's little more than, and no more honest than, a used car salesman. Guess we all know what a 'Community Organizer' really is now.
 
If they're no longer working whoever put them there should pay whatever it costs to remove them from the landscape.

Chances are thats John Q Public. But some political cronies made $ on it back when they went up.
 


I was just about to post that when In saw yours. It is true that the wind energy industry is not the great solution some have made of it for political gain, no names need be mentioned Barrack Obama, but the original OP wasn't even supported within it's own text. This Tory Aardvark didn't even bother to cite references or quotes, no details but used an urban myth to outright lie.

That certainly is no better than the propaganda those who have used wind power for personal political gain...no names mentioned.
 
WIND-WORKS: Debunking Anti-Wind Myth of 14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines in California

Ha....you guys beat me to it.

The OP's post is crap.

I can't even open his link at work (lunch break) because it's blocked. Some credible source that must be. :roll:

The article cited by the OP was hilarious. The author pulled the number out of .... thin air. People challenge his figure, and his support for the claim is a now broken link to another article that makes a baseless claim, pulled out of thin air. And in the comments, for additional support for the 14,000 claim, the author then links to pictures of a few dozen abandoned wind turbines! You can't make up that kind of hackery.
 
I was just about to post that when In saw yours. It is true that the wind energy industry is not the great solution some have made of it for political gain, no names need be mentioned Barrack Obama, but the original OP wasn't even supported within it's own text. This Tory Aardvark didn't even bother to cite references or quotes, no details but used an urban myth to outright lie.

That certainly is no better than the propaganda those who have used wind power for personal political gain...no names mentioned.

Renewable energy is booming, growing about 200% in the last 5 years.

Many states have a sizable portion of generation from wind.

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Not only that, but solar is growing at a faster rate.
 
How'd they reach this magical number of 14,000? The link to the source is dead.
 
This has no bearing on the actual numbers but I can tell you the story of one particular wind turbine in my area.

There is a large piece of state land just off the highway which I take to and from work every day. About 20 years ago they built a big Department of Natural Resources complex on it and about 10 years ago they built a State Highway Patrol complex on it. As part of the plan, the state put a big wind turbine on the site for power generation. It worked for about a month and then something happened. They finally got it fixed about a year later but that lasted only a short time. Since that thing has been in place it has functioned for a total of about 3 months and it has not turned even one revolution in over 4 years now.

I'm not trying to suggest that this is indicative of wind power in general but as far as this particular wind turbine goes? It is one giant eyesore and one giant waste of taxpayer money.
 
I really don't care.

What's the evidence based reason you're opposed to wind (or solar)? Cost per KW hour is falling fast but still slightly higher than the current price of most fossil fuels, if you don't count any of the externalities of fossil fuels, like pollution?
 

So your blog says one thing mine says another: Even yours admits there are indeed abandoned wind turbines but they say the 14000 number is way to high and it may well be, who knows.

"A more realistic maximum number is at most 1% of installed wind turbines — perhaps 2,000 wind turbines — and perhaps 0.1% of generation capacity. And the number of permanently inactive wind turbines is diminishing as they are replaced with working modern turbines."

http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index...]=1679&cHash=a6ffbf36a98ab3ba82069d2486ebd7ae
The truth probably is somewhere in between but the fact is there are very large numbers of abandoned wind turbines.

"While Hawaii has six abandoned wind farms, most of California’s derelict turbines are only now being removed — decades late — after disgusted local authorities threatened to sue.

In Palm Springs, those who campaigned against the turbines included the late singer Sonny Bono, former husband of Cher. "

"But if a turbine’s owner had walked away from his investment or gone bankrupt, it was sometimes the hapless farmer or rancher who owned the land who had to foot the $1,000-a-tower clean-up bill."

"So how many windmills have been abandoned across the U.S.? It is an intensely sensitive subject for wind enthusiasts, who will quibble that it depends on how you define ‘abandoned’."

"They wouldn’t, for instance, count ones that are working again today, even if they were switched off for years. They also argue that many of those that were left to rust were "technologically outdated and set for the scrapheap anyway."

"In Hawaii, which is soon to get a new subsidised wind farm, Andrew Walden argues that whatever turbine makers boast about their machines’ impressive kilowatt per hour output, there remains an intractable problem with any industry that can survive only with government help."

‘The key lesson from history is that when the subsidies go, the wind farms go,’ he told me. ‘It costs too much to maintain them and they just get abandoned.’


Read more: Is this the future of Britain's 'wind rush'? | Daily Mail Online
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This has no bearing on the actual numbers but I can tell you the story of one particular wind turbine in my area.

There is a large piece of state land just off the highway which I take to and from work every day. About 20 years ago they built a big Department of Natural Resources complex on it and about 10 years ago they built a State Highway Patrol complex on it. As part of the plan, the state put a big wind turbine on the site for power generation. It worked for about a month and then something happened. They finally got it fixed about a year later but that lasted only a short time. Since that thing has been in place it has functioned for a total of about 3 months and it has not turned even one revolution in over 4 years now.

I'm not trying to suggest that this is indicative of wind power in general but as far as this particular wind turbine goes? It is one giant eyesore and one giant waste of taxpayer money.

When NASA started developing rockets, most blew up on the launchpad. Fortunately, they didn't give up on rocket technology.
 
If they're no longer working whoever put them there should pay whatever it costs to remove them from the landscape.

That, for the most part, would be the American taxpayer.
 
When NASA started developing rockets, most blew up on the launchpad. Fortunately, they didn't give up on rocket technology.
If these turbines would evolve at the same pace those rockets did there wouldn't be an issue. This technology seems to be evolving at a glacial pace. It's almost 2015. What advancements have there been in the past 10 years?
 
If these turbines would evolve at the same pace those rockets did there wouldn't be an issue. This technology seems to be evolving at a glacial pace. It's almost 2015. What advancements have there been in the past 10 years?

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