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14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines In The USA

You are calling those subsidies, but they are very difficult to qualify.
For the most part the oil companies look to be good corporate citizens.

Difficult doesn't mean zero, or non-negligible. They are indirect, which is the best kind of cost for a profit making corporation - offload the costs onto the public and maximize profits and no one notices or cares.

And like all major modern corporations, they're the equivalent of human sociopaths, without morals or scruples. They're as good of corporate citizens as the laws require them to be, and not a bit more "good." I'm not condemning them for it, just stating a fact. In countries where they aren't required to act like good citizens, they don't. Look at how coal burning plants operate in China for example. You can find horrendous abuses by oil companies in developing or undeveloped countries. Here they behave because we make them, and they gladly enjoy subsidies we provide them, as they must. It's their duty as shareholder stewards.
 
Difficult doesn't mean zero, or non-negligible. They are indirect, which is the best kind of cost for a profit making corporation - offload the costs onto the public and maximize profits and no one notices or cares.

And like all major modern corporations, they're the equivalent of human sociopaths, without morals or scruples. They're as good of corporate citizens as the laws require them to be, and not a bit more "good." I'm not condemning them for it, just stating a fact. In countries where they aren't required to act like good citizens, they don't. Look at how coal burning plants operate in China for example. You can find horrendous abuses by oil companies in developing or undeveloped countries. Here they behave because we make them, and they gladly enjoy subsidies we provide them, as they must. It's their duty as shareholder stewards.
But do you think companies who offer green technologies will be any better?
 
I'm not a rabid environmentalist. I will drive 1000 miles next week in my gas powered car and enjoy every mile. I heat and cool my house with gas and coal fired electricity. We did spend a fair amount of time and money getting our house up to modern efficiency standards, increased the insulation, etc. But I'm a realist when it comes to energy.

It's just my view that we should absolutely subsidize alternative fuels at this point for many reasons. Every unit of energy produced by solar or wind is one unit of gas that doesn't have to be fracked, or mined using mountain top removal, or drilled from the Gulf, or imported from dictatorships who use the proceeds to fund terrorism, etc. And given the relative current parity already, even ignoring many of the subsidies for fossil fuels, we should benefit from increased efficiency and lower costs as the technology improves, and it's rolled out on larger scales. As more is deployed, firms invest more in technology because there's a payoff, and as it's rolled out, per unit costs fall- it's how all advances happen.

In 50 years I can't believe anyone will be driving a gasoline powered vehicle for normal transportation. Our competitors are investing big sums in the technology, so let's build out a domestic industry, lessen the need to mine filthy shale oil or frack for natural gas and reserve those fuels for uses that don't lend themselves to renewables and for bridging gaps. Essentially, what I'd like to see is an energy PLAN for the country that doesn't depend on the indefinite supply of cheap fossil fuels. I think any honest attempt at that will include a big role for renewables - solar, wind, geothermal, etc. and to "compete" today they require subsidies. It's my view, and an easy decision, that such subsidies are on the long term interests of all of us.
 
Apparently this whole wind power thing is falling apart. I can't even imagine how many tax payer dollars have been wasted on this boondoggle and these rusting hulks littering the landscape and killing endangered birds.


"The symbol of Green renewable energy, our saviour from the non existent problem of Global Warming, abandoned wind farms are starting to litter the planet as globally governments cut the subsidies taxes that consumers pay for the privilege of having a very expensive power source that does not work every day for various reasons like it’s too cold or the wind speed is too high.

The US experience with wind farms has left over 14,000 wind turbines abandoned and slowly decaying, in most instances the turbines are just left as symbols of a dying Climate Religion, nowhere have the Green Environmentalists appeared to clear up their mess or even complain about the abandoned wind farms"


" it is in California where the impact of past mandates and subsidies is felt most strongly. Thousands of abandoned wind turbines littered the landscape of wind energy’s California “big three” locations—Altamont Pass, Tehachapi (above), and San Gorgonio—considered among the world’s best wind sites…
California’s wind farms— comprising about 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity—ceased to generate much more quickly than Kamaoa. In the best wind spots on earth, over 14,000 turbines were simply abandoned. Spinning, post-industrial junk which generates nothing but bird kills…”
“It’s a bubble which bursts as soon as the government subsidies end” therein lies a lesson that is going be learnt by those that sought to make fortunes out of tax payer subsidies, the whole renewables industry of solar, wind and biomass is just an artificial bubble incapable of surviving without subsides from governments and tax payers which many businesses and NGO’s like WWF, FoE and Greenpeace now think is their god given right, as the money is going on Green Climate Religion approved clean energy.

The Green evangelists who push so hard for these wind farms, as usual have not thought the whole idea through, no surprises for a left agenda like Climate Change, which like all things Green and socialist is just a knee jerk reaction:

The problem with wind farms when they are abandoned is getting the turbines removed, as usual there are non Green environmentalists to be seen:

14000 Abandoned Wind Turbines In The USA | Tory Aardvark

Totally fake story.

Not that most of you guys are really married to the truth, or anything...

http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index...]=1679&cHash=a6ffbf36a98ab3ba82069d2486ebd7ae

http://www.aweablog.org/blog/post/fact-check-about-those-abandoned-turbines-_1
 
I'm not a rabid environmentalist. I will drive 1000 miles next week in my gas powered car and enjoy every mile. I heat and cool my house with gas and coal fired electricity. We did spend a fair amount of time and money getting our house up to modern efficiency standards, increased the insulation, etc. But I'm a realist when it comes to energy.

It's just my view that we should absolutely subsidize alternative fuels at this point for many reasons. Every unit of energy produced by solar or wind is one unit of gas that doesn't have to be fracked, or mined using mountain top removal, or drilled from the Gulf, or imported from dictatorships who use the proceeds to fund terrorism, etc. And given the relative current parity already, even ignoring many of the subsidies for fossil fuels, we should benefit from increased efficiency and lower costs as the technology improves, and it's rolled out on larger scales. As more is deployed, firms invest more in technology because there's a payoff, and as it's rolled out, per unit costs fall- it's how all advances happen.

In 50 years I can't believe anyone will be driving a gasoline powered vehicle for normal transportation. Our competitors are investing big sums in the technology, so let's build out a domestic industry, lessen the need to mine filthy shale oil or frack for natural gas and reserve those fuels for uses that don't lend themselves to renewables and for bridging gaps. Essentially, what I'd like to see is an energy PLAN for the country that doesn't depend on the indefinite supply of cheap fossil fuels. I think any honest attempt at that will include a big role for renewables - solar, wind, geothermal, etc. and to "compete" today they require subsidies. It's my view, and an easy decision, that such subsidies are on the long term interests of all of us.
I think we agree on much of this, I am even alright with the Government subsidizing the research
towards cheaper production. I just draw the line at the subsides actually helping pay for the energy product.
Mass consumption will only occur when the alternative fuel is the less expensive alternative, in total.
Having part of the price of each gallon of alternative fuel come out of the taxpayers pocket,
does not make it cheaper, it only mover the burden of the higher cost around.
As to 50 years from now, If people are still using I.C. engines, they will be diesel,
and likely in a serial hybrid design.
The step after that would most likely be fuel cell hybrids, so Mr. Carnot may finally retire!
 
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