1 Year ago, Biden called for banning magazines that can hold "multiple bullets"

[TurtleDude]

Most of the limitations on magazine capacity I have seen are half to a third of that number. It’s when the 10-15 round limits are thrown out as the cut off that people laugh at. For me 30 is a reasonable amount of rounds to be considered normal capacity. If we can get a guarantee that it can’t be lowered for a decade or so I think that would be an acceptable compromise on high capacity legislation and would be able to pass without too much trouble.

I believe that the government has no proper power to ban any capacity magazine. Once you think they do, you cannot say that they don't have the power to demand smaller magazines.

 

[TurtleDude]

Just curious why would you need a clip that holds more than 11.
Can't you hit what you are shooting at?

I personally don't care is someone has a weapon with a large capacity clip (11+) nor found a need. Just curious what someone uses the large capacity for.

you ever been in a gun fight? why does every major police department issue 17 round handguns or 30 round magazines?

do you think there should be a limit to how many gallons of water you use to put out a fire or the number of stitches to close a wound?

 

[TurtleDude]

Unlike you I will answer your question. Then I expect you to answer mine.

Why wouldn't I want more rounds.
- extra weight to carry when hunting.
- possible increased chance of a jamming
- one or two shots is the most I have ever needed when hunting.
- In target practice after a firing few rounds I like to take a break. Pretty simple to reload.

Your turn.
Tell us why you need a high capacity magazine?

because no one has ever lost a gunfight by having more than enough rounds to solve the problem.

 

[TurtleDude]

this statement is not founded in fact nor of relevance

really? so where do most of the gunshot murders take place?

 

[Chillfolks]

I believe that the government has no proper power to ban any capacity magazine. Once you think they do, you cannot say that they don't have the power to demand smaller magazines.

Ok we disagree.

 

[TurtleDude]

because sooooooooooo many people use them for mass murder


seems a damned good reason to me

at what point do you find an honest gun owner can no longer be trusted because of round count?

do you honestly believe that people intending mass murder will follow a magazine law?

 

[TurtleDude]

Ok we disagree.

you think the government can ban you from having a 2 round firearm? because you must believe that to believe that the government can ban 30 rounds

 

[Chillfolks]

you think the government can ban you from having a 2 round firearm? because you must believe that to believe that the government can ban 30 rounds

I know you disagree with.y position and am familiar with what your position is. It ia pointless to debate this you will not budge and neither will I. Best to agree to disagree and move on.

 

[TurtleDude]

I know you disagree with.y position and am familiar with what your position is. It ia pointless to debate this you will not budge and neither will I. Best to agree to disagree and move on.

but here is the point-once you believe the government has that power-what you are saying is there is no second amendment restriction and the government has the power to determine what sort of firearms people can own-PERIOD

so what exactly do you think the second amendment means?

 

[Chillfolks]

but here is the point-once you believe the government has that power-what you are saying is there is no second amendment restriction and the government has the power to determine what sort of firearms people can own-PERIOD

so what exactly do you think the second amendment means?

The second is an ideal we should all strive for. Ultimately having no magazine restrictions is the perfect secenerio. We don't live in a perfect world so we have to do the best we can. Magazine restrictions are here and having 30 and under to me is a reasonable comparamise compared to the 10 round number. I know you disagree

 

[TurtleDude]

The second is an ideal we should all strive for. Ultimately having no magazine restrictions is the perfect secenerio. We don't live in a perfect world so we have to do the best we can. Magazine restrictions are here and having 30 and under to me is a reasonable comparamise compared to the 10 round number. I know you disagree

that isn't the issue. the issue is whether you believe that the second amendment is a negative restriction on the government or not.

 

[Chillfolks]

that isn't the issue. the issue is whether you believe that the second amendment is a negative restriction on the government or not.

The second is not limitless. I support the government restricting in certian cases, such as criminals not having the ability to own guns in jail.

 

[Casper]

I'm good. For someone who is "..I'm lazy and prefer to not have to change mags as often." tells me all I need to know. :lamo :mrgreen:
Pretty sad your main reason for wanting a high capacity magazine is you are to lazy to change out mags.

You can have the last word if you want. I'm done.

It was Satire, dude, besides one thing I am not, is lazy

 

[TurtleDude]

The second is not limitless. I support the government restricting in certian cases, such as criminals not having the ability to own guns in jail.

that isn't the issue. criminals lose all sorts of constitutional protections. The issue is not whether the second is limitless: the issue is what powers does the federal government have -and since gun control was never delegated to it and on top of that, the second amendment is a categorical ban, it is hard to honestly believe the federal government has any legitimate power in this area

 

[Chillfolks]

that isn't the issue. criminals lose all sorts of constitutional protections. The issue is not whether the second is limitless: the issue is what powers does the federal government have -and since gun control was never delegated to it and on top of that, the second amendment is a categorical ban, it is hard to honestly believe the federal government has any legitimate power in this area

So you agree the government has the power to ban gun ownership from criminals even if the second has no language allowing the government this power?

 

[mike2810]

you ever been in a gun fight? why does every major police department issue 17 round handguns or 30 round magazines?

do you think there should be a limit to how many gallons of water you use to put out a fire or the number of stitches to close a wound?

There is a need for high capacity magazines for certain professions. Military, police.

What I was asking why the average private citizen would need a high capacity mag. If you read my comments you would know I don't care if you have them or not.

As a citizen have you been if a "fire fight"?

I have, but it was a real fire and not a gun battle. :mrgreen:

 

[mike2810]

because no one has ever lost a gunfight by having more than enough rounds to solve the problem.

Thanks for an honest answer.

So as a private citizen how many gunfights have you been in?

 

[TurtleDude]

Thanks for an honest answer.

So as a private citizen how many gunfights have you been in?

One: however, my duties required me to evaluate and study hundreds.

 

[TurtleDude]

There is a need for high capacity magazines for certain professions. Military, police.

What I was asking why the average private citizen would need a high capacity mag. If you read my comments you would know I don't care if you have them or not.

As a citizen have you been if a "fire fight"?

I have, but it was a real fire and not a gun battle. :mrgreen:

police often have advanced warning when they deal with violent criminals--arrest warrants, search warrants etc. They often have backup and wear radios and ballistic vests

private citizens almost NEVER have advance warning when their store or home is invaded or when someone tries to rob them on the street or car jack them. Late at night, when most home invasions take place, you rarely have time to stuff your pockets-assuming you even have clothes on, with extra magazines. You might be able to grab a firearm, and whatever rounds in it, is all you have-versus criminals who have planned the incursion

all those facts mean honest citizens defending against violent criminals, should not be handicapped.

 

[TurtleDude]

So you agree the government has the power to ban gun ownership from criminals even if the second has no language allowing the government this power?

I do not but I understand that such a law will never be overturned. That power grab was dishonest but too settled in FEDERAL law. states have such powers.

 

[noonereal]

really? so where do most of the gunshot murders take place?

hillbilly land obviously

 

[noonereal]

at what point do you find an honest gun owner can no longer be trusted because of round count?

do you honestly believe that people intending mass murder will follow a magazine law?

of no relevance, this reply is a logical fallacy

 

[dave8383]

Just curious what someone uses the large capacity for.

They're scared. "OMG I need a 30 round mag incase al Qaeda surrounds my house".

 

[TurtleDude]

of no relevance, this reply is a logical fallacy

If I recall, you are on record wanting to ban all firearms so why discuss magazine limits?

 

[TurtleDude]

They're scared. "OMG I need a 30 round mag incase al Qaeda surrounds my house".

Another one of the silly lies that infect every post you make on gun issues. Why don't you tell us-given your claimed expertise, what disadvantage a 30 round magazine causes an honest gun owner vs a ten round magazine?