1,015 deaths in America

[marke]

Daily "snapshot" data isn't actually all that good for forming conclusions from however, here is today's equivalent in tabular form

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Equally, the historical data does tend to exaggerate in the other direction

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Regardless of those the data does indicate that "Europe" has a better handle on COVID-19 than the US has (see Column 10 in the second table).

Why is the New York death rate so many times higher than the death rates of other states, like those in South Dakota, for example? New York has been shut down for 6 months and South Dakota never shut down. Is there not some scientific value to be gleaned from this evidence?

 

[Luce]

Why is the New York death rate so many times higher than the death rates of other states, like those in South Dakota, for example? New York has been shut down for 6 months and South Dakota never shut down. Is there not some scientific value to be gleaned from this evidence?

Today Marke learned about population density.

 

[marke]

Today Marke learned about population density.

World overpopulation might would destroy humanity if not for the fact that world indebtedness will do it long before overpopulation has a chance. However, if world bankers do find a way to make gold out of water, overpopulation might still kill off humans long before global warming even gets a start in its danger of doing so.

 

[Luce]

World overpopulation might would destroy humanity if not for the fact that world indebtedness will do it long before overpopulation has a chance. However, if world bankers do find a way to make gold out of water, overpopulation might still kill off humans long before global warming even gets a start in its danger of doing so.

Climate change is already happening. It's already killing people.

 

[RetiredUSN]

If our jackass president had listened to the advice given to him and shut down the country in late Feb/early March approximately 90% of the deaths here could have been avoided.

Opinion | The Huge Cost of Waiting to Contain the Pandemic - The New York Times

By December according to a popular model used by the White House approximately 2100 dead Americans will be on the hands of the white house jackass and if mandates continue to ease (as the jackass is encouraging) that number rises to over 4800 deaths.

COVID-19

It didn't have to be this way. We CANNOT afford another four years of this.

Your jackass Speaker Of The House say's you are full of beans.

 

[Lursa]

There were 1,015 COVID 19 deaths in America 2 days ago. That's over 185,000 deaths total.


UK had 8

France had 20

Germany had 1

Canada had 6

South Korea had 3


Could we have done better and saved more lives?


Coronavirus Update (Live): 25,229,932 Cases and 847,706 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

"We are doing a YUGE job! The biggly best job in the world! Better than all the other countries!"

Stop posting fake news. /sarcasm

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[jpn]

Nonsense. That would be like saying if the US had only followed South Dakota's lead it would have had only a few hundred deaths instead of tens of thousands.

:lamo Yeah! You go, marke! :lamo

 

[jpn]

Why is the New York death rate so many times higher than the death rates of other states, like those in South Dakota, for example? New York has been shut down for 6 months and South Dakota never shut down. Is there not some scientific value to be gleaned from this evidence?

I'm guessing because NY was on the vanguard of the epidemic. It experienced its infections before medical personnel had developed any idea of how to treat it effectively. Also, we didn't know at the time how vulnerable the elderly were, and there were many infections in nursing homes before they were locked down across the nation.

 

[marke]

Climate change is already happening. It's already killing people.

So the government-dependent, chicken little, hair-on-fire propagandists have been telling us.

 

[marke]

I'm guessing because NY was on the vanguard of the epidemic. It experienced its infections before medical personnel had developed any idea of how to treat it effectively. Also, we didn't know at the time how vulnerable the elderly were, and there were many infections in nursing homes before they were locked down across the nation.

Interesting opinion. I have seen doctors making fools of themselves telling people in states with low COVID deaqths that if they do not wear their mask in public they will cause the number of deaths to skyrocket. Those states have gone without masks for months and there is no spike. Even doctors should stop propagating story lines they have only heard but absolutely cannot prove.

 

[NWRatCon]

Today Marke learned about population density.

I think you overstate the case."learned"...

 

[Luther]

Yes, if someone is overweight he was already going to die anyway. The virus did him a favor. Dying is good actually.

Yes, if someone is overweight he was already going to die anyway.

Analogy failure

 

[Luther]

Methinks that you are talking through your ...

I'm correst

You never heard of the phrase " Follow the money"?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Why is the New York death rate so many times higher than the death rates of other states, like those in South Dakota, for example?

One of the reasons is that a whole lot more people in New York live in areas of crowding, poverty, and poor services than in South Dakota.

Another of the reasons is that New York is a point of entry (which most people don't consider South Dakota to be) and so gets "first pick" of the incoming infectious cases.

Another or the reasons is that New York was (essentially) "caught unaware" as to the actual severity of the problem.

Now, I will agree with you that New York has a higher deaths/million rate than South Dakota when you consider all cases and deaths since 01 FEB 20. However, have you looked at what the CURRENT trends are?

New York has been shut down for 6 months and South Dakota never shut down.

True, and it is very egalitarian of you to include all the deaths that occurred BEFORE New York took protective/ameliorative measures in with the deaths that occurred afterwards.

Is there not some scientific value to be gleaned from this evidence?

I am sure that the people in the BS (Statistics) program at The University of Numerology are looking into it (with a grant from Mr. Trump [well, it isn't actually any of his money, but he signed the cheque so he gets the credit]).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I'm correst

You never heard of the phrase " Follow the money"?

Somehow I have just the tiniest bit of difficulty in totally accepting the premise that 100% of the other countries in the world are all involved in the Deep State conspiracy to lie about the effects of COVID-19 and are deliberately issuing false data on the effects of COVID-19 in their country specifically as a part of the totally undeniable fact that the wacko, loony, crazy, left-wing, liberal, socialist, pinko, commies who call them selves "Democrats" are plotting to overturn the results of the 2016 election by lying about the fact that the United States of America, under the divinely inspired leadership of Mr. Trump, is doing better than any other country in the world in coping with COVID-19 (which doesn't actually exist) the way that you do.

 

[iguanaman]

I'm guessing because NY was on the vanguard of the epidemic. It experienced its infections before medical personnel had developed any idea of how to treat it effectively. Also, we didn't know at the time how vulnerable the elderly were, and there were many infections in nursing homes before they were locked down across the nation.

Actually the NYS death rate is about 1.4% now that we know that 20% of NYC and 14% of the NYS population likely were infected. There really have not been that many improvements in treatment but what was sorely lacking in the beginning was sufficient TESTING.

NY releases figures estimating 14 percent in state, 20 percent in NYC have had COVID-19 | TheHill

 

[marke]

One of the reasons is that a whole lot more people in New York live in areas of crowding, poverty, and poor services than in South Dakota.

Another of the reasons is that New York is a point of entry (which most people don't consider South Dakota to be) and so gets "first pick" of the incoming infectious cases.

Another or the reasons is that New York was (essentially) "caught unaware" as to the actual severity of the problem.

Now, I will agree with you that New York has a higher deaths/million rate than South Dakota when you consider all cases and deaths since 01 FEB 20. However, have you looked at what the CURRENT trends are?



True, and it is very egalitarian of you to include all the deaths that occurred BEFORE New York took protective/ameliorative measures in with the deaths that occurred afterwards.



I am sure that the people in the BS (Statistics) program at The University of Numerology are looking into it (with a grant from Mr. Trump [well, it isn't actually any of his money, but he signed the cheque so he gets the credit]).

That seems like a whole lot of factors to consider when attempting to form a policy which applies to all. In fact, some of the harsh policies dictated by upper east coast democrats would offer very little benefit to communities scattered across the rest of the country.

They might need masks and shutdowns in New York, but those are not needed in other places, like Alaska, for example.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That seems like a whole lot of factors to consider when attempting to form a policy which applies to all. In fact, some of the harsh policies dictated by upper east coast democrats would offer very little benefit to communities scattered across the rest of the country.

They might need masks and shutdowns in New York, but those are not needed in other places, like Alaska, for example.

Indeed, the preventive/ameliorative measures SHOULD be tailored to actual conditions, with due consideration being given to reasonably foreseeable weight being given to potential changes in those conditions.

The problem is to determine which level to apply at any given location.

Given the inherent level of stupidity involved in human behaviour (as well as the level of "I simply don't give a damn if anyone else dies, I find it inconvenient to do what I should be doing in order to reduce the risk of other people contracting COVID-19.") it's probably better to err on the conservative side and take MORE precautions than someone who doesn't know what they are talking about wants to take.

"I donwanna do it." REALLY isn't a very good standard to adopt.

PS - The level of preventive/ameliorative measures required is quite likely to be the same in an area of "Population Density X" is quite likely to be the same as the level of preventive/ameliorative measures required in any other area of "Population Density X" REGARDLESS of which states the areas are located in. That means that one has to determine what the tipping point for population density with respect to increased likelihood of contracting COVID-19 is.