‘War Is Here’: The Far-Right Responds to Charlie Kirk Shooting With Calls for Violence

[PeteEU]

What is this absurd notion of "freedom" Americans keep banging on about? You're the most legally hidebound nation on the planet. You can even get arrested for crossing a street in the 'wrong' place. We grew up and learned how to cross a road safely in England.

Or have an opened beer bottle in public... Or have a drink age 20..or 18....hell age 16.

 

[snakestretcher]

Or have an opened beer bottle in public... Or have a drink age 20..or 18....hell age 16.

Yep; you can go and die for your country aged 18, but heaven forbid you get caught drinking a beer in public!

 

[rhinefire]

Listening to the people in the media saying:
"This has got to stop."
"This is not who we are."
"This has got to stop."
"This not America."
To all such comments, this IS who we are and we have the long history of assignations to prove it. So come up with something new when these things happen or shut up. I am learning there are many messages in social media pumping up the idea of killing. Hannity last night blamed everything on the "radical left" like the ignorant pig that he is. I heard yesterday Kirk had secret service protection. How does he deserve it when Trump pulled that from Biden and Harris? By the way if he did have protection the Secret Service should perhaps rethink their game plan.

 

[CaughtInThe]

If the right thinks we're at war then who will they shoot/bomb?

 

[snakestretcher]

Listening to the people in the media saying:
"This has got to stop."
"This is not who we are."
"This has got to stop."
"This not America."
To all such comments, this IS who we are and we have the long history of assignations to prove it. So come up with something new when these things happen or shut up. I am learning there are many messages in social media pumping up the idea of killing. Hannity last night blamed everything on the "radical left" like the ignorant pig that he is. I heard yesterday Kirk had secret service protection. How does he deserve it when Trump pulled that from Biden and Harris? By the way if he did have protection the Secret Service should perhaps rethink their game plan.

Yep, they weren't much use when Trump's ear was grazed.

 

[Tettsuo]

Oh course we do.

You don't accept it.

Like y'all knew the guy that shot Trump earlobe was a lefty... until we found out he wasn't. Like y'all knew that former trans shooter was a leftist (solely based on the fact that he was trans)... until we found out he promoted a crapton of rightwing beliefs.

No, you don't know shit about this shooter. None of us do.

 

[Cope]

Age restrictions on gun purchases are dependent on state, but rifles and shotguns can be bought in several states under the age of 18. Basically if you can buy it in those states, age doesn't matter. Not the same for alcohol or tobacco which have federal laws in place to force age restrictions on purchasing those at 21.

Federal law prohibits anyone under 21 from purchasing a handgun and anyone under 18 from purchasing a gun. And alcohol and cigarettes both have had those age ranges changed. I wouldn't be aghast if that happened to guns.

They are not restricted in the same ways.

They are.

Even location is changing a whole lot when it comes to guns by becoming less restrictive, not more. But with alcohol and tobacco, the restrictions are becoming more.

Really only due to States trying to unconstitutionally limit a right and being slapped down.

Nothing is like guns. Guns are responsible for more deaths than cars. Alcohol and tobacco do kill more, but only when you consider the damage done by those, diseases like cancers or liver disease or COPD after long term use. Unlike with guns, which are almost always causing acute deaths, at the point of it happening. And many of those deaths are of others, not done to the person by their choice to use it through time. Pretty sure there aren't people addicted to shooting themselves.

But it doesn't account for the majority of deaths by guns.

Acute, ancillary, what does it matter? Dead is dead. Cigarettes are actually worse by orders of magnitudes to add the damage it causes to those just being around them and yet we still have the choice to make that decision, and are making that decision for OTHERS (to die by second hand smoke as well)

If people aren't addicted to shooting themselves but are going to commit suicide, do you think they just don't die?

 

[snakestretcher]

If the right thinks we're at war then who will they shoot/bomb?

Soft targets first-like abortion clinics and doctors; maybe run down an opposing protester or two and run away like the brave warriors they are.

 

[Deuce]

What is this absurd notion of "freedom" Americans keep banging on about? You're the most legally hidebound nation on the planet. You can even get arrested for crossing a street in the 'wrong' place ffs!. We grew up and learned how to cross a road safely in England when we were children.

The same people who think America is the most free country in the world are also the sort who think guns are what bring freedom.

 

[Deuce]

Apparently, some ‘murder by police’ cases get more media attention and public reaction than others.

Auburn police officer sentenced for 2019 shooting death of homeless man

An Auburn, Wash. police officer was sentenced on Thursday to 16 years and 8 months in prison for the 2019 shooting death of a 26-year-old homeless man he was trying to arrest for disorderly conduct.

www.fox13seattle.com

Yes, a lot less outrage occurs when the justice system, for once, steps up and actually punishes a police officer for their crimes.

Why, what did you think the reason was?

 

[snakestretcher]

Federal law prohibits anyone under 21 from purchasing a handgun and anyone under 18 from purchasing a gun. And alcohol and cigarettes both have had those age ranges changed. I wouldn't be aghast if that happened to guns.

They are.

Really only due to States trying to unconstitutionally limit a right and being slapped down.

Acute, ancillary, what does it matter? Dead is dead. Cigarettes are actually worse by orders of magnitudes to add the damage it causes to those just being around them and yet we still have the choice to make that decision, and are making that decision for OTHERS (to die by second hand smoke as well)

If people aren't addicted to shooting themselves but are going to commit suicide, do you think they just don't die?

Smoking is, like any addiction, self-inflicted harm, and a little self-control can deal with that-like I did after 50 years of addiction to tobacco. Shooting someone is not in the same category. Ban guns and that's 30,000-40,000 needless annual deaths you won't have to contend with or send 'thoughts and prayers' about. But no, the holy and unassailable 2A guarantees the killing will continue.

 

[MaryP]

No one should be calling for more violence. What is happening in this country is despicable. Speaking your political opinions shouldn't be a death sentence.

Amen.

 

[Jezcoe]

We took guns away after two horrific massacres; Hungerford and Dunblane. The result, as in every advanced nation enacting common-sense legislation in response to mass killings, was a rapid decline in firearm-related deaths to near single figures. Why would anyone object to such a simple solution? Your anachronistic and wholly irrelevant to the 21st century 'right', needs abolishing and allowing common sense to prevail. But no; there is clearly nothing more holy and unassailable as 2A. It's akin to a deity to be worshipped, among some of the most ardent gun advocates.

No … you see we need the guns to fight off a tyrannical government…. Or something.

 

[snakestretcher]

No … you see we need the guns to fight off a tyrannical government…. Or something.

Which would have been fine when all anyone, including the government, had was black powder, muzzle-loading muskets. Try shooting down that helicopter gunship, or disabling the Abrams tank rolling up your street, and the whole pretence of a 'citizens army' confronting a tyrannical government begins to look faintly ridiculous.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Smoking is, like any addiction, self-inflicted harm, and a little self-control can deal with that-like I did after 50 years of addiction to tobacco. Shooting someone is not in the same category. Ban guns and that's 30,000-40,000 needless annual deaths you won't have to contend with or send 'thoughts and prayers' about. But no, the holy and unassailable 2A guarantees the killing will continue.

Yep, and we could stop or heavily reduce drunk driving deaths and injures if we banned alcohol and/or motor vehicles.

 

[snakestretcher]

Yep, and we could stop or heavily reduce drunk driving deaths and injures if we banned alcohol and/or motor vehicles.

You already have laws about drinking and driving. Those resultant deaths and injuries are not pre-meditated for the most part. Shooting someone usually is. I doubt the vast majority of drunks deliberately get hammered with the express purpose of getting in a car and mowing down people.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You already have laws about drinking and driving.

We already have laws against shooting (or shooting at) another person. Of course, criminals (by definition) don’t obey the law.

Those resultant deaths and injuries are not pre-meditated for the most part. Shooting someone usually is.

Yep, and proving criminal intent causes that crime to receive a longer sentence.

 

[Deuce]

Yep, and we could stop or heavily reduce drunk driving deaths and injures if we banned alcohol and/or motor vehicles.

We've put a lot of effort as a society into combating drunk driving and automobile-related deaths. We've radically redesigned cars over the decade to be less dangerous to their drivers and to others.

Gonna be first in line to buy guns that are redesigned to be less lethal?

 

[Deuce]

We already have laws against shooting (or shooting at) another person. Of course, criminals (by definition) don’t obey the law.

Welp, might as well not have laws then.

 

[snakestretcher]

We already have laws against shooting (or shooting at) another person. Of course, criminals (by definition) don’t obey the law.



Yep, and proving criminal intent causes that crime to receive a longer sentence.

No guns=little or no gun crime. When will America finally wake up to that simple truth which every other advanced nation has done? This is how the outside world views America:

 

[Pyrite]

You keep repeating the bolded ad naus. Of course that is going to be true just like if you look at gun related deaths, what do you think they all have in common (guns, right?)

The push shouldn't be GUN related deaths, it should just be DEATHS.
You want to slow homicides? Great. You don't , you just want to stop GUN related homicides and that is the single minded focus of quite a few people

There should be no concentration on stopping the flow of potentially-lethal illegal drugs across our borders, right?

After all, we're supposed to concentrate on stopping DEATHS.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

You damn well know I'm not suggesting any such thing but you post it anyway.

That's why your posts are bullshit.

Keep your lies to yourself.

I asked "are you?" and you got very very defensive. I wonder why?

 

[roguenuke]

Federal law prohibits anyone under 21 from purchasing a handgun and anyone under 18 from purchasing a gun. And alcohol and cigarettes both have had those age ranges changed. I wouldn't be aghast if that happened to guns.

They are.

Really only due to States trying to unconstitutionally limit a right and being slapped down.

Acute, ancillary, what does it matter? Dead is dead. Cigarettes are actually worse by orders of magnitudes to add the damage it causes to those just being around them and yet we still have the choice to make that decision, and are making that decision for OTHERS (to die by second hand smoke as well)

If people aren't addicted to shooting themselves but are going to commit suicide, do you think they just don't die?

Unlicensed sellers are a thing for gun sales. A private citizen can sell a long gun, a rifle to a person under 18 and that is legal. It is not legal to sell alcohol to someone under 21, since any unlicensed alcohol sells are illegal.

A person can stop drinking or smoking and improve their health in the long run. A person cannot simply take back a gunshot, especially not when they do it to someone else.

Do you understand how addiction works? Those other two things, especially when done to the point they are dying from them, are addictions.

 

[Luce]

What is this absurd notion of "freedom" Americans keep banging on about? You're the most legally hidebound nation on the planet. You can even get arrested for crossing a street in the 'wrong' place ffs!. We grew up and learned how to cross a road safely in England when we were children.

See, this is why Europe will never understand America.

We're free to be just like everyone else. How is this complicated? It's like Stalin said. "Every person in the Soviet Union is free to agree with the committee."

The problem is caused when Those Bastards Over There want freedom to be different. Maybe some person born male wants to wear a dress. Or some lady wants to marry another lady. Or someone doesn't want to Make America Great Again. Why, that's an abuse of freedom. People didn't die in the revolution or WWII just so people could live the way they want to live instead of the way they're supposed to live. That's not freedom, that's communism.

 

[snakestretcher]

You keep repeating the bolded ad naus. Of course that is going to be true just like if you look at gun related deaths, what do you think they all have in common (guns, right?)

The push shouldn't be GUN related deaths, it should just be DEATHS.
You want to slow homicides? Great. You don't , you just want to stop GUN related homicides and that is the single minded focus of quite a few people

I keep repeating a fact because it's a fact. Maybe one day it'll sink in to Americans obsessed with this stupid notion that guns are somehow emblematic of 'freedom'. I prefer living in a country with freedom from firearms, daily shootings and killings. Who wouldn't? 2A gun fetishists, that's who.