‘The Little Mermaid’ Dominates Memorial Day Box Office With $118 Million Debut

[roguenuke]

show me where mermaids have even been written as black skin

mermaids have always been white, have they not ?

No, they haven't. We had at least one deaf, black skinned mermaid in the Little Mermaid cartoon, TV show 30 years ago.

Disney actually had black mermaids 30 years ago, way before Halle Bailey's controversial casting as Ariel

Ariel's skin color has nothing to do with the famous story — but, notably, non-white mermaids have been part of the Disney canon for decades.

www.businessinsider.com

And mermaid legends, that included black mermaids, have existed in other countries that were not dominated by white people.

Black Mermaids: The Waters Beyond Eurocentric Mythology - Reactor

“As far as I knew, mermaids were white.” This was a response to one of my posts on Twitter this year. At first, I was indignant. A quick scan of their account showed their bigoted views, but I still wondered: is racism the only reason they would think this? I remember the outrage when Halle […]

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[Lord of Planar]

Perhaps maybe it should be looked at in context of what the reason is for picking the person to be in that role.

Bingo.

The left is constantly trying to tie the change of race in roles to racism. Yes, I am pretty sure that is the root of some people's complaints. The problem with most who compain is what you just said...

The reason...

The reason is the activism. Quota systems... The black washing, for so much of it. Not only the black-washing, but gender and LGB... whatever...

Personally, I could care less. But this whole black-washing doesn't need to exist. Give new charter roles to people of color and who are prideful of the rainbow. But any remake, will have some people vocal about character changes. Honestly. What will happen if a traditional black role was given to a white. Wouldn't the black community be even more vocal the you guys claim the whites are?

Why can't you lefties accept that some people just don't want the reason to be black-washing?

 

[roguenuke]

Bingo.

The left is constantly trying to tie the change of race in roles to racism. Yes, I am pretty sure that is the root of some people's complaints. The problem with most who compain is what you just said...

The reason...

The reason is the activism. Quota systems... The black washing, for so much of it. Not only the black-washing, but gender and LGB... whatever...

Personally, I could care less. But this whole black-washing doesn't need to exist. Give new charter roles to people of color and who are prideful of the rainbow. But any remake, will have some people vocal about character changes. Honestly. What will happen if a traditional black role was given to a white. Wouldn't the black community be even more vocal the you guys claim the whites are?

Why can't you lefties accept that some people just don't want the reason to be black-washing?

Most roles in fictional stories do not require a character to be, maintain a certain skin color, race. That is the problem. Just because an established character has a particular race when first introduced, doesn't mean that race is important to their story. That's the issue you have here. You want to keep characters, roles the exact same, as in the same race, without any reason why, even if race isn't important to the storyline. The same would be true for if an originally black character was then replaced by a white character or white actor, as long as the race of the character was not important to the role, job, how they fit into the storyline.

An example, in two of my favorite TV shows, Hunter and Silk Stalkings, their Captain or whoever was considered in charge of them changed at least once, in Hunter it was several times just during the 1st season, even changing the race of the guy in charge, their Captain/LT by simply changing to a different person in charge until each show settled into a good character that meshed. That's not white washing or black washing of either show. It's simply looking for a good person to mesh, fit into the cast. Night Court (original) had Selma, followed by Flo, and then Rozz. The first 2 were older white women who ended up having both actresses die while working the role. Finally they went with Rozz, a strong black actress who fit well. They also had a white woman as the clerk who had a condition that caused her issues so then they replaced her with Mac. They also had several defense attorneys go through for 3 seasons (Billie lasted most of season 1 though) cycling through until they found Christine. Again, where they changed their race and even had a guy in an episode, until they found someone who fit well.

 

[Deuce]

show me where mermaids have even been written as black skin

mermaids have always been white, have they not ?

Mermaids aren't real.

 

[hecatmoggie]

perhaps because one is fantasy and the other is real life....just a thought.

or you want to only apply what you see as good and fair and equal etc and want to discount what other people see/feel/believe ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

No, they haven't. We had at least one deaf, black skinned mermaid in the Little Mermaid cartoon, TV show 30 years ago.

Disney actually had black mermaids 30 years ago, way before Halle Bailey's controversial casting as Ariel

Ariel's skin color has nothing to do with the famous story — but, notably, non-white mermaids have been part of the Disney canon for decades.

www.businessinsider.com

And mermaid legends, that included black mermaids, have existed in other countries that were not dominated by white people.

Black Mermaids: The Waters Beyond Eurocentric Mythology - Reactor

“As far as I knew, mermaids were white.” This was a response to one of my posts on Twitter this year. At first, I was indignant. A quick scan of their account showed their bigoted views, but I still wondered: is racism the only reason they would think this? I remember the outrage when Halle […]

www.tor.com

recast Gabrielle as white please -
actually good info there - thanks for the links

so any black mermaid movies/cartoons/books etc etc can be re-written as white - you're ok with that, right ?

 

[ClaraD]

show me where mermaids have even been written as black skin

mermaids have always been white, have they not ?

No, first mermaids are not REAL....and no they have not always been white.

10 Mythical Mermaids of Color That Came Before 'The Little Mermaid'

Author of 'Mermaid and Pirate,' Tracey Baptiste, says long before the upcoming Disney remake, cultures around the world told these fairytales.

www.parents.com

 

[ClaraD]

or you want to only apply what you see as good and fair and equal etc and want to discount what other people see/feel/believe ?

No, perhaps because I do not care how something that is fantasy is portrayed.

 

[roguenuke]

recast Gabrielle as white please -
actually good info there - thanks for the links

so any black mermaid movies/cartoons/books etc etc can be re-written as white - you're ok with that, right ?

They probably have been. But it wouldn't be rewritten as a "white role". They would simply be cast into a role as the person fitting the character they are going for. Especially when talking about fictional characters. Most characters don't need to have a specific description of their race as part of their role, character (there are a few exceptions to this).

There's nothing "fair" about changing a role to a white person simply because you think it isn't fair that a different role was recast to the role being given to a black person. You need purpose, reason behind it.

 

[hecatmoggie]

No, perhaps because I do not care how something that is fantasy is portrayed.

cool

everything "fantasy" that's been casted black could be casted white and you'd be ok with it

right? or would you see that as "whitening" something that was traditionally/historically/casted etc as black and offensive?

 

[Maidenrules29]

I do see an issue with this they can't make original content for black people so Disney is racist and that regard. They always have to start the black stars in lesser remakes. They don't seem to understand that there's a very rich history that has black people in it we have to give them sloppy seconds.

If anyone's racist here it's Disney.

Yep. "Song of the South" anyone?......

 

[roguenuke]

cool

everything "fantasy" that's been casted black could be casted white and you'd be ok with it

right? or would you see that as "whitening" something that was traditionally/historically/casted etc as black and offensive?

You would need to clarify what the reason was for specifically recasting those roles. Why did you intentionally recast them to be white?

 

[weaver2]

That is 100% false. We had people complaining on here about it.

Perhaps he is a victim of selective blindness and can't see the post that don't support his pettiness..... and once again a victim.

 

[hecatmoggie]

They probably have been. But it wouldn't be rewritten as white. They would simply be cast into a role as the person fitting the character they are going for. Especially when talking about fictional characters.

There's nothing "fair" about changing a role to a white person simply because you think it isn't fair that a different role was recast to the role being given to a black person. You need purpose, reason behind it.

can you think of any roles that have been black that have been replaced with white ? I mean since we're seeing white replaced with black, it'd have to work both ways to be fair and equal right ?

Fieness as Michael Jackson got attention - negative
Jake Gyllenhaal as Prince of Persia was upsetting to some
non LGBT playing LGBT roles has been highly frowned upon last couple of years too

 

[hecatmoggie]

You would need to clarify what the reason was for specifically recasting those roles. Why did you intentionally recast them to be white?

art, inclusion, diversity etc

 

[Superfly]

look deeper than race and skin color .... its art, its Hollywood, its a new twist on something .... its diversity and inclusion

we see it all the time with "white" being replaced with brown and black ... we need it to go the other direction too to be fair and equal

Because white fish haven’t been represented enough?

 

[Superfly]

I think all black cartoons, brown cartoons, whatever skin color cartoons or animations etc that were produced should pretty much stay the way they were originated. It has NOTHING to do with inclusion or superiority or racism

can you imagine redoing Moana and having it all white or all black? no - that's not how it was made, so leave it alone IMO

Moana was based on a Polynesian girl (that’s a real thing).

Ariel was based on a mermaid (not a real thing).

 

[pamak]

...

Personally, I could care less. But this whole black-washing doesn't need to exist. Give new charter roles to people of color and who are prideful of the rainbow. But any remake, will have some people vocal about character changes. Honestly. What will happen if a traditional black role was given to a white. Wouldn't the black community be even more vocal the you guys claim the whites are?

Artists often experiment and change the original script in many ways. Shakespeare's Othello was a black character but Patrick Stewart (white) played the role

Patrick Stewart Stars in Race-Reversed Othello in D.C. Nov. 17

That classically trained actor Patrick Stewart will star in Othello at Shakespeare Theatre in Washington DC is not tremendously surprising. That he's playing the title character -- a Moor -- is , especially since the remaining cast will be played by African-Americans. Jude Kelly, artistic...

playbill.com

As a Greek person who constantly sees Hollywood alter classical Greek scripts and plays (including epics like Homer's Iliad and Odyssey), I find strange to watch (mostly) conservative Americans' selective sensitivity of changes that involve a character's skin color.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Most roles in fictional stories do not require a character to be, maintain a certain skin color, race. That is the problem.

Do you belive you have the right to take your position, and be authoritarian over others, and bullying them by namecalling?

Just because an established character has a particular race when first introduced, doesn't mean that race is important to their story.

I agree with you. But its just not race. It any change in the character that some people don't like.

That's the issue you have here. You want to keep characters, roles the exact same, as in the same race, without any reason why, even if race isn't important to the storyline.

I could personally care less. My point is you deny the viewpoints of ithers. You dismiss them as bad people. this is a common theme for the left, and is why the left are the ones constantly dividing this nation.

The same would be true for if an originally black character was then replaced by a white character or white actor, as long as the race of the character was not important to the role, job, how they fit into the storyline.

Really. I'll bet that the first time we see this, the black coimmunity will be very vocal. Maybe to the point of riots.

An example, in two of my favorite TV shows, Hunter and Silk Stalkings, their Captain or whoever was considered in charge of them changed at least once, in Hunter it was several times just during the 1st season, even changing the race of the guy in charge, their Captain/LT by simply changing to a different person in charge until each show settled into a good character that meshed.

I'm not familiar with the stories of these shown or their characters. I never watched them.

Did the charcter of the captain change, or did the character change? There is a difference.

That's not white washing or black washing of either show. It's simply looking for a good person to mesh, fit into the cast. Night Court (original) had Selma, followed by Flo, and then Rozz. The first 2 were older white women who ended up having both actresses die while working the role. Finally they went with Rozz, a strong black actress who fit well. They also had a white woman as the clerk who had a condition that caused her issues so then they replaced her with Mac. They also had several defense attorneys go through for 3 seasons (Billie lasted most of season 1 though) cycling through until they found Christine. Again, where they changed their race and even had a guy in an episode, until they found someone who fit well.

Again, I don't have a reference to go by. I never watched these shows.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Because white fish haven’t been represented enough?

that's racist

 

[hecatmoggie]

Artists often experiment and change the original script in many ways. Shakespeare's Othello was a black character but Patrick Stewart (white) played the role

Patrick Stewart Stars in Race-Reversed Othello in D.C. Nov. 17

That classically trained actor Patrick Stewart will star in Othello at Shakespeare Theatre in Washington DC is not tremendously surprising. That he's playing the title character -- a Moor -- is , especially since the remaining cast will be played by African-Americans. Jude Kelly, artistic...

playbill.com

good example - thank you

 

[roguenuke]

can you think of any roles that have been black that have been replaced with white ? I mean since we're seeing white replaced with black, it'd have to work both ways to be fair and equal right ?

Fieness as Michael Jackson got attention - negative
Jake Gyllenhaal as Prince of Persia was upsetting to some
non LGBT playing LGBT roles has been highly frowned upon last couple of years too

I gave some in an earlier post. More often, white people have been cast as Asian, Middle Eastern and Hispanic/Latino/Latina characters, but still similar.

25 Times White Actors Played People Of Color And No One Really Gave A S**t

Think blackface and yellowface are a thing of the past? Get ready to cringe.

www.huffpost.com

How about Liam Neeson as Ra's Al Ghul?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Moana was based on a Polynesian girl (that’s a real thing).

Ariel was based on a mermaid (not a real thing).

a fake Polynesian girl - not a real thing

 

[Superfly]

look deeper than race and skin color .... its art, its Hollywood, its a new twist on something .... its diversity and inclusion

we see it all the time with "white" being replaced with brown and black ... we need it to go the other direction too to be fair and equal

that's racist

Yes, your posts are terribly racist. Thankfully you finally saw the light! Halleluyah!

 

[Superfly]

a fake Polynesian girl - not a real thing

Girl = real.

Mermaid = not real.