The 'Good News Club' fought a legal battle in New York in 2001 after they were denied access to renting district facilities after school hours. The Milford Central School District said it feared a violation of the Establishment Clause, which admonishes the union of Church and State, if the district allowed the christian group to use its facilities. A judge ruled that the school is a public forum and the district could bar religious organizations from renting school buildings.
The Satanic Temple wants the same court ruling applied to their group.
The Satanic Temple is targeting young children in schools - possibly as a satire? In Utah, I expect they will ban this religious activity from school during hours as well as after school hours. Could it be that is what that group is asking for? Why go through the legal process if the goal is to lose? This must be some kind of ritual with which I'm not familiar.
'After School Satan' Satanic Temple targets kids at Utah elementary school | KUTV
The Satanic Temple is targeting young children in schools - possibly as a satire? In Utah, I expect they will ban this religious activity from school during hours as well as after school hours. Could it be that is what that group is asking for? Why go through the legal process if the goal is to lose? This must be some kind of ritual with which I'm not familiar.
‘After School Satan’ – Satanic Temple targets kids at Utah elementary school | KUTVThe Satanic Temple, a group that describes itself as “an atheistic religious organization that uses the symbol of Satan to inspire civil justice”, says the decision to spread their message in elementary schools is in direct response to Christian groups who operate after-school clubs in public schools.
While this is a "legal" religious organization, past acts have demonstrated that the above pretty much sums up their goals.
Public schools, like any other government facility, are supposed to provide equal access to all citizens for all legal purposes. If Christian clubs can operate in Elementary Schools, other religious clubs should be as well. All, or none...one way of the other.
How about NO religion at public schools?
They have churches for that.
The equal opportunity aspect is clear. I am not sure if this is about clubs operating in schools though. I have met pagans before, but never converted to paganism because of a project using natural arts and crafts back at school. I think they are saying there are religious subtexts without advertisement. In fact, I distinctly recall a peer of mine talking about his first confession. This was way back in grade school, but I remember it like it was last week.
Okay, but...
‘After School Satan’ – Satanic Temple targets kids at Utah elementary school | KUTV
While this is a "legal" religious organization, past acts have demonstrated that the above pretty much sums up their goals. If I remember correctly, this is the same organization that has been trying to set up statues of Satan next to monuments of the Ten Commandments in front of State and local government buildings.
Public schools, like any other government facility, are supposed to provide equal access to all citizens for all legal purposes. If Christian clubs can operate in Elementary Schools, other religious clubs should be as well. All, or none...one way or the other. :shrug:
Okay, but...
‘After School Satan’ – Satanic Temple targets kids at Utah elementary school | KUTV
While this is a "legal" religious organization, past acts have demonstrated that the above pretty much sums up their goals. If I remember correctly, this is the same organization that has been trying to set up statues of Satan next to monuments of the Ten Commandments in front of State and local government buildings.
Public schools, like any other government facility, are supposed to provide equal access to all citizens for all legal purposes. If Christian clubs can operate in Elementary Schools, other religious clubs should be as well. All, or none...one way or the other. :shrug:
How about NO religion at public schools?
They have churches for that.
If they are claiming that they are atheistic then they cannot by definition be religious. As such all of their cases regarding them being denied something should be thrown out.
I think you will find some agnostics who claim that atheism is an ideology. One could make the case that spiritualism and ideology should be kept out of schools because they bear a close resemblance to religious belief. But I'm quite certain that the tenets of freemasonry surround many of these schools so there's a fine line between protecting children and protecting the constitution which probably won't be crossed by throwing out this case.
If they are claiming that they are atheistic then they cannot by definition be religious. As such all of their cases regarding them being denied something should be thrown out.
If they are claiming that they are atheistic then they cannot by definition be religious. As such all of their cases regarding them being denied something should be thrown out.
I think you will find some agnostics who claim that atheism is an ideology. One could make the case that spiritualism and ideology should be kept out of schools because they bear a close resemblance to religious belief. But I'm quite certain that the tenets of freemasonry surround many of these schools so there's a fine line between protecting children and protecting the Constitution which probably won't be crossed by throwing out this case.
Where is a good French Muslim truck driver when you need one.
If they are claiming that they are atheistic then they cannot by definition be religious. As such all of their cases regarding them being denied something should be thrown out.
Where is a good French Muslim truck driver when you need one.
See the first amendment.
This is incorrect. Having no religion is equally protected as having a religion. The way you frame it, unless you have a religion you don't get full 1st amendment rights and that simply isn't the case. Either way, they're not claiming to be atheists, not that it matters.
They're claiming they are Satanists. That's a religion. If Christians can do it, so can Satanists, Muslims, Moonies, Scientologists, etc.
Nowhere in the first amendment does it say you have a right to force YOUR religion into a public school. You can be religious, pray, and do whatever you want in school, you can't try to force it on anyone else or make it part of the curriculum.
is the school a public square? yes
can the school discriminate against a religion? no
Sorry what you didn't read what I was responding to.
The person posting said that religion has to stay out of
school. That is entirely wrong.
A religious club is 100% allowed on school and the school cannot discriminate against them.
Are you sure about that?
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