Zimmerman made a threatening move before being struck [W:815]

[sharon]

The same Miami Herald that went out of their way to find a faux "expert" to claim that the person yelling help wasn't Zimmerman?



I don't have to demonize the kid to justify anything. As far as the facts known go, George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, and I haven't seen anything except "maybe this" "maybe that" and "what if this" scenarios. Those aren't very convincing.

What they said was their study "ruled out" Zimmerman. Rule out is an interesting concept...

But I don't have much confidence in voice analysis or identifiction.. just like I don't have much confidence in lie detector tests or voice stress analysis.

But, George's meds do interest me.....

 

[Excon]

No Zimmerman's blood or DNA on Trayvon's hands or sleeve cuffs after all that face pounding, nose breaking and head slamming into concrete with 50% of Zimmerman's head said to be covered in blood, those aren't convincing inconsistency?

Are you really a police officer? I seriously doubt it.

There are no inconsistencies there.

 

[dolphinocean]

As I have stated, it served its purpose when I used it.

If someone goes around calling "No Limit Nigga" and posing in pictures with a "grill" in his mouth, flashing money, the middle finger, having people ask him about punching a bus driver, getting suspended for weed and possible(most likely) stolen items, talking about using drugs that have hallucinogenic effects.... that sort of thing....... It is not going to be hard for me to believe (word used by Sharon) that they would have jumped on Zimmerman and continued beating on him.

That's it! You can't be a police officer. No way jose.

 

[sharon]

There are no inconsistencies there.

LOLOLOL.. and you don't accept the medical evidence either.

 

[dolphinocean]

There are no inconsistencies there.

Wrong answer.

 

[joko104]

What they said was their study "ruled out" Zimmerman. Rule out is an interesting concept...

But I don't have much confidence in voice analysis or identifiction.. just like I don't have much confidence in lie detector tests or voice stress analysis.

But, George's meds do interest me.....

Yes, they appear to have possibly restrained Zimmerman's sense of danger and delayed his response times to TM.

 

[Caine]

Trayvon didn't slam George's head on the sidewalk.. He's lying. What would your opinion of George be if all the medical testimony determines that George had NO head trauma?

Where is your proof that he is lying?

And then more "What Ifs"

Classic Traybot.

 

[joko104]

Wrong answer.

It is really DUMB to keep trying to prove GZ wasn't hurt and to try to prove the EMT, police and doctor all are lying. Of all the anti-Zimmerman arguments, that one by you and Sharon is so desperate and accepted as false by everyone as to just waste everyone's time.

The "no head trauma" Boston news report is a lie, a fabrication, by the newspaper.
Where is the actual medical report?

 

[Caine]

Zimmerman merits no sympathy nor justification. Citizens do not have the right to interfere in the non-criminal, private affairs of other citizens.

It doesn't matter if you think he's a dealer waiting for buyers by the convenience store or a thug casing a neighborhood for potential B&E's.

Your thoughts, your suspicions, your fears don't matter. If someone's conduct has breached neither law nor order, you have no right to do a thing except phone the authorities and witness a person's actions on public grounds.

Zimmerman exceeded the limitations on one citizen's right to intervene upon another citizen's privacy

Privacy?

He was not in private. He was out in the public in the neighborhood.

He does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy there.

Try another angle.... this one fails too.

 

[dolphinocean]

Again with the personal attacks.

I've punched someone in the face without getting blood all the way up my ****ing sleeve.....

Go watch some more CSI or something....... keep learning how fake investigations work.

Thats not an inconsistency....... You wan't to know why?

Because its not a guarantee that blood would be on his hands or sleeve.

Is blood always on a boxer's glove after a fight in which his opponent gets a cut? No. Not always. Sometimes.... but its not a guarantee.

Thus its not an "inconsistency".

We are not just talking about simple punching. We are talking about repeated punching and head slamming with 50% of the head covered in blood and Trayvon's hands were said to cover his broken nose and grabbed his bloody head.

Police officer my foot.

 

[joko104]

Your challenging that Caine is a cop disproves yourself.

I do not believe TM was slugging GZ. I think he was slamming GZ with the palm of his hand trying to shove Zimmerman's nose into his brain.

 

[sharon]

As I have stated, it served its purpose when I used it.

If someone goes around calling "No Limit Nigga" and posing in pictures with a "grill" in his mouth, flashing money, the middle finger, having people ask him about punching a bus driver, getting suspended for weed and possible(most likely) stolen items, talking about using drugs that have hallucinogenic effects.... that sort of thing....... It is not going to be hard for me to believe (word used by Sharon) that they would have jumped on Zimmerman and continued beating on him.

Caine.. That's not Trayvon Martin from Florida.. that's Tryvon Martin from Georgia.

 

[joko104]

Then why is the fight video in front of Travon Martin's mother's home? Huh?

Or are you only referring to the photo that Thunder posts with every message?

 

[dolphinocean]

It is really DUMB to keep trying to prove GZ wasn't hurt and to try to prove the EMT, police and doctor all are lying. Of all the anti-Zimmerman arguments, that one by you and Sharon is so desperate and accepted as false by everyone as to just waste everyone's time.

The "no head trauma" Boston news report is a lie, a fabrication, by the newspaper.
Where is the actual medical report?

You are the one posting dumb stuffs all over the forum.

So, you fell and hurt yourself, somebody is going to get shot for it?

The EMT, the police and the doctor all concurred he got a minor injury that didn't even need bandages let alone stitches.

 

[Caine]

When I broke my nose I had two incredible black eyes and nobody punched me.

No .. that's the problem.. Trayvon wasn't a threat... except in George's imagination.

You are an adult male. Do you carry a gun? If so I doubt you act out based on your imagination?

Now you know George Zimmerman's thoughts and imagination?

Try another angle..... this one fails too.

 

[sharon]

Then why is the fight video in front of Travon Martin's mother's home? Huh?

Or are you only referring to the photo that Thunder posts with every message?

Its not.. Trayvon's mother's home is an L shaped 1960s brick ranch in Miami Gardens.

 

[sharon]

Now you know George Zimmerman's thoughts and imagination?

Try another angle..... this one fails too.

Caine. How is it that you relate to George?

 

[Caine]

That's it! You can't be a police officer. No way jose.

Okay. Sure. Whatever you say random internet dude who can't seem to make a reply to my post without attempting to make it personal.

Do you know how to make a post without being personal?

 

[Excon]

Wrong answer.

Yes, your answer is wrong.
I am glad that you admit as much.

There are no inconsistencies there.
None.

I guess I will have to point it out to you also.



We all know that Zimmerman got on top of Trayvon after he shot him, and supposedly placed his hands on Trayvon's back.
Zimmerman says so, and a witness says so.

Where is the blood that obviously would have come from Zimmerman's broken nose and dropped onto Trayvon's back?
Huh?
Where did it go?

 

[What if...?]

And of course leaving out an important piece of the information.
Zimmerman is an adult who carries a firearm and shot a teen who was slamming his head into the concrete.
That changes the whole perception surrounding the story, which of course is why you left it out.



That isn't a mistake in any sense of the word.
Trayvon cause his own demise.
If there is a jury trial, the majority are going to agree.

I really wish you would shift to "going for Zs gun" which is what Z said prompted his fear for his life.

The head slamming was before both the smothering/silencing and the gun going for, by Zs direct description.

Saying he shot M for slamming his head is simply factually inaccurate per Zs reenactment.

 

[Excon]

I really wish you would shift to "going for Zs gun" which is what Z said prompted his fear for his life.

The head slamming was before both the smothering/silencing and the gun going for, by Zs direct description.

Saying he shot M for slamming his head is simply factually inaccurate per Zs reenactment.

I agree, both are situations where the requisite fear is induced.

 

[dolphinocean]

Your challenging that Caine is a cop disproves yourself.

I do not believe TM was slugging GZ. I think he was slamming GZ with the palm of his hand trying to shove Zimmerman's nose into his brain.

What kind of logic is that?

He can claim to be a police officer. Based on what I have read from his postings, I just don;t buy it. You can't compel it on me. Deal with it.

Your palm shove nose is just a bunch of flatulence, that's all.

 

[Caine]

We are not just talking about simple punching. We are talking about repeated punching and head slamming with 50% of the head covered in blood and Trayvon's hands were said to cover his broken nose and grabbed his bloody head.

I got in a wrasslin' match the other night at work with a chick who was covered in this dude's blood. I had my gloves on, but I had to take her to the ground because she swung on me (she was a hoot rat). Strangely, Me nor my Partner got blood on us during the encounter.

Blood transfer is NOT a guarantee 100% of the time.

As you can see from the photos posted, the cut on the front of his face was extremely small compared to the total size of his face... That leads to a very great amount of space that can be touched without blood transfer. A cut that small is not going to be spurting blood like the episode of Beavis and Butthead when they accidentally chop Beavis's finger off or anything.
Obviously, the cuts on the back of his head were on the back of his head..... and not facing Trayvon. Nobody is claiming he was bleeding PROFUSELY, losing pints at a time or anything like that.

I think you have a piss poor imagination of what occurred.

Police officer my foot.

Don't think I am not taking notice of your need to try to make every post personal. It only shows your lame attempts at flaming baiting, and won't work.

 

[joko104]

You are the one posting dumb stuffs all over the forum.

So, you fell and hurt yourself, somebody is going to get shot for it?

The EMT, the police and the doctor all concurred he got a minor injury that didn't even need bandages let alone stitches.

They did not concur that GZ had "a minor injury."

Claiming GZ tripped and broke his nose and got two gashes on the back of his head disqualifies you as having any integrity whatsoever in debate.

 

[joko104]

Now you know George Zimmerman's thoughts and imagination?

Try another angle..... this one fails too.

Sharon and Thunder both claim they are medical doctors who had privy to Zimmerman's medical reports and prescription histories that they then professionally analysed AND that they are MD psychiatrists who have done professional counseling and questioning Zimmerman to make professional mental diagnois. Or so they like to think.

Lacking evidence and most evidence against their positions, they try to fabricate a story out of their vast skills as medical and psychological analysis.