Zimmerman lawyer to ask Florida to pay up to $300,000 in legal costs: report

[CRUE CAB]

Well we also have to keep in mind that Zimmerman will never see a penny of this money.
It will go right to the lawyers who got daily free advertisement for over a year thanks to the media.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Then you are talking of an example not the least bit similar to the Zimmerman case.

Not really. And that was not the point I was making to another poster to begin with.
Who was the eye witness that had a clear and un abstructed view of the shooting that followed the fight, where Zim was getting beaten like a 2 dollar whore.

 

[buck]

Well we also have to keep in mind that Zimmerman will never see a penny of this money.
It will go right to the lawyers who got daily free advertisement for over a year thanks to the media.

It goes to repay the lawyers for money they already laid out to the experts or it will go directly to the experts, if they had not yet been paid.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Agree but I'd go one step further. Though probably not applicable here Prosecutors, all public officials for that matter including police, should lose their qualified immunity.

That, IMHO, goes too far. They are still criminally accountable if a crime has been committed, e.g. fraud or perjury, and can be proven, yet they should not be subject to individual civil action for merely performing their official duties.

 

[buck]

Not really. And that was not the point I was making to another poster to begin with.
Who was the eye witness that had a clear and un abstructed view of the shooting that followed the fight, where Zim was getting beaten like a 2 dollar whore.

The injuries that George had are support that he was being beaten.

The eye witnesses directly after the encounter who say that george immediately said he was being beaten and recognized that he looked like a man who had just had his ass whooped.

There were eye witnesses that saw the black kid on top raining down blows on the person on the bottom.

The position of the body and grass stains/water marks confirm that Trayvon was the one on top.

There is evidence much more reliable then any eye witness, but even the eye witness accounts support George's claims.

 

[Baralis]

Because the state brought the case in good faith.
Weak as it was. If we pay every defendent that wins his case, Florida will be broke by weeks end.
Or we will just quit arresting people.

Perhaps that should tell us something?

 

[specklebang]

Nine years down the road, not worried about it.
But the charge? Sounded like I was public enemy number one.

As long as you only murdered someone, that's no big deal in Florida. You really should demand a refund.

 

[CRUE CAB]

As long as you only murdered someone, that's no big deal in Florida. You really should demand a refund.

I wanted to kill someone. But alas, personal responsibilty won out.

 

[joko104]

The GZ case distinction:

1. The prosecutor bypassed the grand jury, though there was no imminent reason to do so.
2. The prosecutor drafted a false complaint and leaving off facts that may show not-guilty - then had 2 officers sign it (exorbitantly rare) telling them it was the other officer who knew facts neither knew as they were false.
3. Refusing to release Defense materials at huge costs.
In short, the arrest was not legitimate from the start nor did "the state" act in a legal manner in relation to the trial.

 

[joko104]

So, you are out doing your water cop job. You and some dude have alittle disagreement. Well he feels threatend and pulls faster than you and drops you in your tracks.
Calls 911 and says "hey, dude in uniform starts hasslin' me and tried layin' hands on me so, I dropped him with twins to the blood pumper".
Other cops show up and homeboys story sounds legit. They hand his gun back to him, bid him a fond farewell and you go to the cooler till wifey comes to claim your carcass.
Sounds perfectly acceptable to you?

So we all understand what you are saying in real terms:

If a police officer shoots and kills someone, that officer claims the man tried to grab his gun and fearing being overpowered he shot that man - and no witnesses and nothing to prove or disprove his recount - your demand is that the police is arrested, charged with murder, put in jail and stays there until and only if he can bond out, then at trial he is presumed guilty of murder unless he can prove he's innocent.

That is what you have explained, right? Or are police exempt?

 

[CRUE CAB]

So we all understand what you are saying in real terms:

If a police officer shoots and kills someone, that officer claims the man tried to grab his gun and fearing being overpowered he shot that man - and no witnesses and nothing to prove or disprove his recount - your demand is that the police is arrested, charged with murder, put in jail and stays there until and only if he can bond out, then at trial he is presumed guilty of murder unless he can prove he's innocent.

That is what you have explained, right? Or are police exempt?

Where did I say anything about the shooter being a police officer?

 

[Mason66]

Because the state brought the case in good faith.
Weak as it was. If we pay every defendent that wins his case, Florida will be broke by weeks end.
Or we will just quit arresting people.

I think a sticking point will be that the prosecution side stepped the grand jury and went ahead with the case as it was.

The prosecution will have to explain why they did that.

 

[Mason66]

So law enforcement should second guess what crimes they arrest for because they should fear making financial restitution to anyone they arrest?
That is a slippery slope we really dont need to go down.
If Zimmerman wants money, he can go the civil route and sue the state. Put it in front of a judge and jury.

A cops job is to arrest people.

The prosecution has the job of deciding if there is enough evidence to win.

If they know there is not enough evidence to win and they go ahead with the prosecution just to destroy a mans life, then yes they should be made to pay.

 

[mike2810]

Thanks for continuing your tirades. You really know how to make a case.
I never said any of that.
But you have to look at it from the third party stand point.
Say I meet you, dont like you, shoot you. No witnesses, no cameras. I claim self defence.
Your family would be fine with that? Period. No investigation, no charges (that can be dropped prior to trial). Just you are dead, and I say I felt threatened and stood my ground.
I carry, I know the rules and I also know that my life may very well change and not for the better once I may have to use my weapon.

(bolded by me)
imo, my family would not be happy with no investigation.

However in the GZ case, there was an investigation and LE first stance was to not pursue any charges. Then the State got involved, investigated more, by-passed the grand jury, and GZ was found not guilty.

imo, the State should pay all of GZ legal expenses.

 

[CRUE CAB]

(bolded by me)
imo, my family would not be happy with no investigation.

However in the GZ case, there was an investigation and LE first stance was to not pursue any charges. Then the State got involved, investigated more, by-passed the grand jury, and GZ was found not guilty.

imo, the State should pay all of GZ legal expenses.

My point is Zimm has ways of making big money.
His lawyers got on air face time better than advertisement ever and can also profit from the trial itself.
Had this been some witch hunt with all the players being no ones and no bodys, I could see paying out tax dollars.
Zimmerman does not fit that case.

 

[mike2810]

My point is Zimm has ways of making big money.
His lawyers got on air face time better than advertisement ever and can also profit from the trial itself.
Had this been some witch hunt with all the players being no ones and no bodys, I could see paying out tax dollars.
Zimmerman does not fit that case.

You really think GZ life is all ok? Playing devil's advocate. Lets say GZ decides not to pursue any of the "making big money" off of this case. You still ok with GZ being stuck with the bill? Or maybe he does pursue the "making big money" , why should he have to pay bills that were not of his creation?

If the State would have done a better job and used the Grand Jury, I bet the cost to the State and to GZ would have been very little.

 

[CRUE CAB]

You really think GZ life is all ok? Playing devil's advocate. Lets say GZ decides not to pursue any of the "making big money" off of this case. You still ok with GZ being stuck with the bill? Or maybe he does pursue the "making big money" , why should he have to pay bills that were not of his creation?

If the State would have done a better job and used the Grand Jury, I bet the cost to the State and to GZ would have been very little.

Zimmerman will never be stuck with the bill, the lawyers will never persue him for another penny.

 

[mike2810]

Zimmerman will never be stuck with the bill, the lawyers will never persue him for another penny.

Thanks for not answering my question with a direct answer..:mrgreen:

Should the State be held accountable for defense expenses when the person charged is found not guilty. (YES or NO).?

 

[CRUE CAB]

Thanks for not answering my question with a direct answer..:mrgreen:

Should the State be held accountable for defense expenses when the person charged is found not guilty. (YES or NO).?

Too grey an area. Let him go to court and file for it civily.
Not just demand it.
Not sure how it works, because he has the right to reimbursment. I dont know what the mechanism is to recoup.
But if I had my way, he would have to go to court and file a suit agaisnt the state.

 

[joko104]

Where did I say anything about the shooter being a police officer?

The question is would your standards also apply to police?

 

[CRUE CAB]

The question is would your standards also apply to police?

What ifs dont interest me. Better yet, you dont interest me.

 

[joko104]

I think a sticking point will be that the prosecution side stepped the grand jury and went ahead with the case as it was.

The prosecution will have to explain why they did that.

That is what says the prosecution was not legitimate from the start.

 

[mike2810]

Too grey an area. Let him go to court and file for it civily.
Not just demand it.
Not sure how it works, because he has the right to reimbursment. I dont know what the mechanism is to recoup.
But if I had my way, he would have to go to court and file a suit agaisnt the state.

ok.
Would you feel the same way on all cases or just this one (GZ).
Since you want GZ to file a suit to collect defense expenses for the murder case, I guess you would want him to also include the cost of suing to get those expenses and the lawyer cost to collect.

What a mess.

 

[CRUE CAB]

ok.
Would you feel the same way on all cases or just this one (GZ).
Since you want GZ to file a suit to collect defense expenses for the murder case, I guess you would want him to also include the cost of suing to get those expenses and the lawyer cost to collect.

What a mess.

If his lawyers want to get that money back, because that is were its going.
They can represent him for it. I even think just a judge is fine, dont even really need a jury.

 

[joko104]

What ifs dont interest me. Better yet, you dont interest me.

So you FINALLY admit your "what ifs" are nonsensical and worthless. Confession is good for a person. :lamo