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Zelensky Publicly Rejected Trump’s Peace Plan

dandolo2k said:
again blathering and void Western propaganda....
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I’m blathering?

You made the unsubstantiated statement, with no foundation in reality. All I did was call you out on it.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
I’m blathering?

You made the unsubstantiated statement, with no foundation in reality. All I did was call you out on it.
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And now when the “satellites nations” of Ukraine (Donbass and Crimea) want freedom from Ukraine , you chant entirely different songs …
 
Fledermaus said:
They aren't "satellites nations".

They are Ukrainian territory.
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Nope. Incorrect . They ARE satellite nations of Ukraine. And they speak entirely different language, not Ukrainian .
Actually Ukraine territory lies within the bounds of Russia /Soviet Union .
Ukraine haven’t followed the due procedure to separate from Russia .
 
dandolo2k said:
Nope. Incorrect . They ARE satellite nations of Ukraine. And they speak entirely different language, not Ukrainian .
Actually Ukraine territory lies within the bounds of Russia /Soviet Union .
Ukraine haven’t followed the due procedure to separate from Russia .
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No, they aren't.

And everyone that matters agreed to the borders back in 1991 and the following years.
 
craig said:
Why would any one support Ukraine giving up part of its country to an attacker? Even Trump knows that is impossible.
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What is the point of ignoring reality? The Ukrainians aren’t anywhere close to “reclaiming” Crimea, and the people there largely aren’t interested in being a party of Ukraine.
 
j brown's body said:
Because might makes right.

The US could help Ukraine and Europe repel Russia.

Trump could seal his peace deal with a $50B arms sale to Ukraine

"The only way to stop Putin from doing this — and cement Trump’s legacy as a peacemaker — is to make sure Ukraine has a military deterrent so powerful that Russia would not dare attack again. A promise to sell U.S. weapons would give Ukraine confidence it could build that deterrent. Few countries possess the weapons systems Ukraine needs or the industrial capacity to produce them. And there is no doubt that China, Iran and North Korea — even if there is a peace agreement — will continue to provide robust assistance to Russia in preparation for its next attempt to conquer Ukraine."
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The last three years haven’t seen any “repelling”.

Pouring in more military equipment which has failed to break the stalemate is unlikely to change that.
 
craig said:
Absolutely. Putin will fall and Russia will get another chance at democracy. I hope they keep it this time.
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Democracy does not mean subservience to the US, so even if Russia were to become Democratic the West would still be endlessly fearmongering about it.
 
dandolo2k said:
This is a cynical LIE. People of the USSR overwhelmingly voted in favour of PRESERVATION of Soviet Union in Gorbachev's referendum.
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And then in separate Referenda for the different areas, they voted for Independence from the Soviet yoke.
 
Tigerace117 said:
What is the point of ignoring reality? The Ukrainians aren’t anywhere close to “reclaiming” Crimea, and the people there largely aren’t interested in being a party of Ukraine.
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So might makes right.
 
j brown's body said:
So might makes right.
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You already made it clear you have no problem with “might makes right”, since you oppose American troops being forced to withdraw Iraq and Syria in accordance with the wishes of the people there.
 
dandolo2k said:
Ukraine haven’t followed the due procedure to separate from Russia .
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I guess Russia as well as the rest of the world were very confused for the last 30+ years when they were drawing Ukraine on world maps.
 
dandolo2k said:
And now when the “satellites nations” of Ukraine (Donbass and Crimea) want freedom from Ukraine , you chant entirely different songs …
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Substantiate in real terms, not some schlock Putin puppet, where citizens of those UKRAINIAN districts are requesting resolving of their ties to Ukraine and formal annexing of Russia.

Even the USSR acknowledged Crimea is Ukrainian:

From Wikipedia: ”In 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union transferred the Crimean Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. The territory had been recognized within the Soviet Union as having "close ties" to the Ukrainian SSR, and the transfer commemorated the Union of Russia and Ukraine Tercentenary.”
 
ModernDiogenes said:
Substantiate in real terms, not some schlock Putin puppet, where citizens of those UKRAINIAN districts are requesting resolving of their ties to Ukraine and formal annexing of Russia.

Even the USSR acknowledged Crimea is Ukrainian:

From Wikipedia: ”In 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union transferred the Crimean Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. The territory had been recognized within the Soviet Union as having "close ties" to the Ukrainian SSR, and the transfer commemorated the Union of Russia and Ukraine Tercentenary.”
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It did this "transfer" in severe violation of Soviet constitution. Nobody cared back at that time cause all people were living in the same country. But the "transfer" were ILLEGAL. And it didn't not provid the Soviet Ukraine wth the freedom to take away this ILLEGAL "gift" upon separation from USSR.
 
Roadvirus said:
Rewarding the invader & giving the victim country nothing is a bad peace deal.
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Its like you people cant get out of your fairy tale world of 'fair'. But fine. No peace deal. Then what?
 
Tiger said:
How will Zelenskyy fund his war without America paying for it?
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Unlike Trump, Europe is more then happy to help Zelensky protect the freedom of Ukraine from the war criminal nation Russia
 
VanceMack said:
Its like you people cant get out of your fairy tale world of 'fair'.
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Yeah...how dare Ukraine get justice for the war crimes inflicted onto it by Russian barbarity. They should learn to capitulate to a murderous regime. :rolleyes:
 
Roadvirus said:
Yeah...how dare Ukraine get justice for the war crimes inflicted onto it by Russian barbarity. They should learn to capitulate to a murderous regime. :rolleyes:
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Again...what world do you exist in where you think war is fair and there is 'justice'?

Every country on the planet exists because birders and boundaries were at one time seized and held. And while you are peeing yourself for 'justice' in Ukraine, where is your bleeding heart for any of the dozen or so wars and genocides currently ongoing?

You 'care' because you have been told to.
 
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