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Zelensky Publicly Rejected Trump’s Peace Plan

anatta said:
www.breitbart.com

Zelensky Rejects Trump's Peace Plan, Preferring Total Victory Scenario

Even as talks progress and Trump says there is hope for a deal, Zelensky saying the Ukrainian constitution calls for total victory.
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Kyiv in recent days is far from complimentary about President Trump’s proposals. An American blueprint for peace in Ukraine was put before combatants this week and quickly rejected as politically impossible by Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky, who cited the national constitution as making anything but total victory impossible. perhaps the greater stumbling block to achieving a workable peace agreement is President Zelensky’s insistence that he would do nothing in contradiction of the letter of the Ukrainian constitution.
the constitution states the nation’s borders are “indivisible and inviolable”, this essentially locks him and Ukraine into pushing for a maximalist total victory, with every square yard of the nation’s United Nations-recognised territory liberated. Three years of brutal fighting and hundreds of thousands of lives have yet to achieve this goal.

President Zelensky said of this position that he would accept only a total defeat of the Russian invasion, a peace on unobtainable terms: “Anything that contradicts our values or our Constitution cannot be included in any agreements”.

in the case of the Ukrainian government really wanting peace the constitution could be amended. But until that time comes, plenty more constitutionalist obstructions can be found, such as any changes to the document needing to be ratified by a national referendum, and elections being impossible under wartime conditions and martial law, which is also Zelensky’s rationale for not having had to face re-election yet.
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Those pesky constitutions.
 
j brown's body said:
Its a choice. The US could help Ukraine and Europe repel Russis very easily.

Trump could seal his peace deal with a $50B arms sale to Ukraine

"The only way to stop Putin from doing this — and cement Trump’s legacy as a peacemaker — is to make sure Ukraine has a military deterrent so powerful that Russia would not dare attack again. A promise to sell U.S. weapons would give Ukraine confidence it could build that deterrent. Few countries possess the weapons systems Ukraine needs or the industrial capacity to produce them. And there is no doubt that China, Iran and North Korea — even if there is a peace agreement — will continue to provide robust assistance to Russia in preparation for its next attempt to conquer Ukraine."
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I cant read that - paywalled. Ukraine is building it's own arms industry. Europe was supposed to help. it's their primary responsibility

www.politico.eu

EU plan to send more military aid to Ukraine in shambles

The bloc had aimed to send billions in military aid and artillery ammunition to Kyiv, but member countries split on the plan.
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The original formulation of the "Kallas plan" had been to ship Ukraine at least 1.5 million rounds of artillery ammunition in 2025. That idea, presented last month, was shot down by a Hungarian veto. Then she tried again, banking on a coalition of willing states to dig into their weapons stores and national coffers to deliver up to €40 billion in military aid to Ukraine this year.

Unfortunately for Kallas — and for Ukraine — her plan didn't survive impact with the reality of a European Union where interest in making sacrifices for Kyiv varies dramatically from country to country.

Southern nations — much further from the Russian threat — are less eager than those in the east or the north. But in the end, even France, the bloc's biggest military power, balked at giving a thumbs-up to the aid package.
 
Roadvirus said:
And that is where you are wrong.

You're using tunnel vision & looking only short-term.
Open your eyes wider & look long-term. Say...the next 10 years.
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you can look ahead as far as you want to. If anything Europe will be adding to it's own defense (finally)
Russia cannot touch a NATO country. Russia can't conquer even Ukraine.. I dont "see" anything else
 
anatta said:
I cant read that - paywalled. Ukraine is building it's own arms industry. Europe was supposed to help. it's their primary responsibility

www.politico.eu

EU plan to send more military aid to Ukraine in shambles

The bloc had aimed to send billions in military aid and artillery ammunition to Kyiv, but member countries split on the plan.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
The original formulation of the "Kallas plan" had been to ship Ukraine at least 1.5 million rounds of artillery ammunition in 2025. That idea, presented last month, was shot down by a Hungarian veto. Then she tried again, banking on a coalition of willing states to dig into their weapons stores and national coffers to deliver up to €40 billion in military aid to Ukraine this year.

Unfortunately for Kallas — and for Ukraine — her plan didn't survive impact with the reality of a European Union where interest in making sacrifices for Kyiv varies dramatically from country to country.

Southern nations — much further from the Russian threat — are less eager than those in the east or the north. But in the end, even France, the bloc's biggest military power, balked at giving a thumbs-up to the aid package.
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The article suggests the only way to peace is to sell Ukraine $50 billion in weapons. That level of support would deter Russia from further encroachment.

Your argument that there os no way to stop Russia isn't the reality you make it out to be.
 
j brown's body said:
The article suggests the only way to peace is to sell Ukraine $50 billion in weapons. That level of support would deter Russia from further encroachment.

Your argument that there os no way to stop Russia isn't the reality you make it out to be.
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money and manpower,, and shells and weapons..
 
craig said:
Why would any one support Ukraine giving up part of its country to an attacker? Even Trump knows that is impossible.
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because thats is how peace deals are negotiated after a war has begun.
 
"There was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas, cities and towns, over the last few days. It makes me think that maybe he doesn’t want to stop the war, he’s just tapping me along."

What's the incentive for Zelensky to regard Donald as anything other than Putin's bitch?
 
Individual said:
I don't see total victory a possibility without other nations providing troops to fight.
Total loss could easily become the only possibility.
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Ironically, considering your position on this, it's Russia that has desperately sought and used other nations' troops to fight and even then they are no closer to defeating Ukraine than Russia was when it first launched the invasion.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Ironically, considering your position on this, it's Russia that has desperately sought and used other nations' troops to fight and even then they are no closer to defeating Ukraine than Russia was when it first launched the invasion.
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I don't really have a position, just recognizing the facts.
IMO, Russia has taken control of what it wanted and the war only continues because Zelensky is expecting the EU and US to eventually come to his aid and reclaim what has been lost, which also IMO might initiate a much greater and longer lasting war.
An unconditional surrender by Russia is very unlikely.
 
german hick said:
don´t be so fast with liar shoutings

nobody wanted to stay in that club anymore and a club without members is dead
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This is a cynical LIE. People of the USSR overwhelmingly voted in favour of PRESERVATION of Soviet Union in Gorbachev's referendum.
 
Russia is like the dog that cannot be socialized. May be it has to be shot if we don´t want more members of the Nation community be bitten by this aggressive hound.
 
I'm old enough to remember when Republicans wouldn't surrender when attacked.

Now they're just weak.
 
anatta said:
www.breitbart.com

Zelensky Rejects Trump's Peace Plan, Preferring Total Victory Scenario

Even as talks progress and Trump says there is hope for a deal, Zelensky saying the Ukrainian constitution calls for total victory.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
Kyiv in recent days is far from complimentary about President Trump’s proposals. An American blueprint for peace in Ukraine was put before combatants this week and quickly rejected as politically impossible by Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky, who cited the national constitution as making anything but total victory impossible. perhaps the greater stumbling block to achieving a workable peace agreement is President Zelensky’s insistence that he would do nothing in contradiction of the letter of the Ukrainian constitution.
the constitution states the nation’s borders are “indivisible and inviolable”, this essentially locks him and Ukraine into pushing for a maximalist total victory, with every square yard of the nation’s United Nations-recognised territory liberated. Three years of brutal fighting and hundreds of thousands of lives have yet to achieve this goal.

President Zelensky said of this position that he would accept only a total defeat of the Russian invasion, a peace on unobtainable terms: “Anything that contradicts our values or our Constitution cannot be included in any agreements”.

in the case of the Ukrainian government really wanting peace the constitution could be amended. But until that time comes, plenty more constitutionalist obstructions can be found, such as any changes to the document needing to be ratified by a national referendum, and elections being impossible under wartime conditions and martial law, which is also Zelensky’s rationale for not having had to face re-election yet.
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People still cite Breitbart?

Huh...
 
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