You know its very hard. LOL

[AZRWinger]

Yep. You guys voted for stuff that couldn't possibly come true. That's called being delusional. Or gullible. Which do you think is more accurate?


No, I root for the return of common sense and a sense of responsibility on the part of the American voter, out of a sincere desire for a better outcome for you.

Sorry, you can be as pissy as you like, the rest of the world is shaking their heads at you.

You're living in a fantasy world. Trump hasn't even been sworn in but the 50+ world leaders assembled for the ND reopening treated him as POTUS. Meanwhile a parade of formerly hostile business leaders and even Democrat politicians like Eric Adams have paraded to Trump’s home.

 

[Absentglare]

In the event that there are first time Trump voters lurking here just know that there’ll be many attempts, probably until the end of time, to get you to say/feel that you regret or you were wrong or that you’re sorry you voted for him. Trying to separate Trump from his voters/supporters has been a weird obsession of some on the left since his first term.

Trump plays his supporters for fools.

 

[Uncensored2008]

He's still around, and there's an entire administration still around.

Nope, Quid Pro checked out months ago.

If the rest of the world thinks Trump is in charge then they don't understand how our transition of power works, which seems to be an issue amongst our own citizenry as well.

The rest of the world knows that Trump is an actual leader and that the Communists have checked out.

Actually I don't because what you posted I already read, and your own citation is a bit of a self own since Putin's position isn't a good faith negotiating starting point. Unless, of course, Trump is willing to acquiesce to Russia's position. What I was hoping for was a citation where Putin came back with a reasonable starting point, which clearly he hasn't.

As expected - your demand was in bad faith.

He's probably too busy posting on social media, so no worries.

He's busy running the nation - which no one has been doing for the last year.

Ah yes, I guess you're referring to Nord Stream 2. Interesting that the Nord Stream 2 went from 0 to 90% completed during his administration, no? Of course actions against Nord Stream 2 go back before Trump as well.

Why did Biden lift the sanctions on Iran and Russia?

Oh that's right - both countries have bribed him for 50 years....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump plays his supporters for fools.

The butt hurt of the Communists is so entertaining to watch...

 

[Uncensored2008]

true, the two parties appeal to a different kind of mind set, both distant poles apart.

in political science, they call that the 'dialectic', opposing opinions are synthesized together to cause the sheep to go in the direction originally desired.

Dialectical Materialism IS the base philosophy of the democrats, that much is true.

 

[Uncensored2008]

yep, him and his extra 20 million voters, never to be found again?

Bingo!

it bothered me instead of negotiating, they would just send billions more in arms over there.

It's a money laundering scam.

and then billions came up missing, as the media looked the other way.

Exactly.

 

[Absentglare]

The butt hurt of the Communists is so entertaining to watch...

Butt hurt isn’t the feeling I have watching our next president treat his supporters like absolute morons.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Butt hurt isn’t the feeling I have watching our next president treat his supporters like absolute morons.

Butt Hurt is the reason you tell these silly lies. Can't cope with reality.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Nope, Quid Pro checked out months ago.

He's in office until January. It's too bad you have a hard time realizing that.

The rest of the world knows that Trump is an actual leader and that the Communists have checked out.

They don't nor is there evidence of that, so you can spin your wheels on this nonsense.

As expected - your demand was in bad faith.

It wasn't, and I pointed out why.

He's busy running the nation - which no one has been doing for the last year.

He has no actual power to do so yet.

Why did Biden lift the sanctions on Iran and Russia?

Oh that's right - both countries have bribed him for 50 years....

 

[OlNate]

You're living in a fantasy world. Trump hasn't even been sworn in but the 50+ world leaders assembled for the ND reopening treated him as POTUS. Meanwhile a parade of formerly hostile business leaders and even Democrat politicians like Eric Adams have paraded to Trump’s home.

We're here discussing the fact that Trump is walking back his promises, this isn't opinion, this is reaction, and the only ones living in a fantasy world are the folks who didn't see it coming.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You're living in a fantasy world. Trump hasn't even been sworn in but the 50+ world leaders assembled for the ND reopening treated him as POTUS. Meanwhile a parade of formerly hostile business leaders and even Democrat politicians like Eric Adams have paraded to Trump’s home.

Umm, he's the president elect and a former president.

 

[Along Came Jones]

We're here discussing the fact that Trump is walking back his promises, this isn't opinion, this is reaction, and the only ones living in a fantasy world are the folks who didn't see it coming.

Any supporter who believes their candidate's campaign promises are more than wishfulness is dream walking. Some Presidents simply have better records at compromise or fulfillment than others.

Last 4 full terms (Source Politifact)
Obama made 533 promises, fulfilled 47%, compromised on 27%, and broke 23%
Trump made 100 promises, fulfilled 23%, compromised on 22%, and broke 53%
Biden made at least 99 promises, fulfilled 32%, compromised on 19%, broke 32%, stalled on 2% and has about 14% still in work.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

MSN

SUCKERS!

Trump lied?

Shocked and amazed.

To think of it; a man who has lied all his adult life. Documented to have made false statements or straight out fabrications over THIRTY-THREE THOUSAND times during his last term of office actually told a fib.

Who’d a thunk it? I mean really, what a surprise.

And who could blame anyone for not seeing that coming. I mean, it’s not like even if common sense wasn’t right there to tell you it’s not like a whole bunch of us were screaming at you at the top of our lungs. I mean, had we one might think you’d take a moment and consider the consequences of, even if Trump represented all your political dreams, what electing such a man would mean of those dreams ever taking place.

One can totally understand if this takes Trump supporters by surprise. After all, like I said, who could have possibly seen it coming?

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I mean, I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that I disagree with your characterization of Trump’s win as “suicidal” or showing us not having sense but I have pondered that “minimizing consequences for a lapse of judgment” in a different context.

I need otherwise good folks who seem to express otherwise solid consideration and cognitive ability to take a beat, stop, and think…

The guy is a flat out fraud. Couldn’t be conceived of otherwise because he has a complete and complex history of multiple frauds and cons that are heavily documented. Fake charities. A fraud of a university. Bogus PACs. Trump bibles for crying out loud. Lying cheating and swindling. It’s all there. Public record. It’s not make believe. It’s real. Solid. It’s fact based.

A wind bag product of a scripted reality TV show world where nothing is real. It’s ALL a lie.

What does it take to bring you folks back to reality based thinking folks?

What did you expect? A hyena is a hyena. A pathological narcissist with likely borderline personality disorder is what they are.

I don’t think Trump voters are terrible. I think they were conned. They looked at bad governing Democrats, and they were, and got conned into “fixing it” by voting for something worse.

This last bit of, “Gee whiz, looks like my running off at the mouth that a POTUS could fix inflation and reduce grocery prices, et all, might have been an over statement.”, is just part of it.

Usually trading in bad for worse is a rotten idea. I presume this will be too. He hasn’t even taken office yet and my case for it being worse is strong and getting stronger all the time. We are going to fix the money controlling our government by putting a bunch of oligarchs in charge of everything. We are going to fix the unfair distribution of the wealth generated by our labor or and the spending of our dollars by putting the greediest of us in charge of wealth’s distribution. We are going to fix our f##ked up investment institutions and the fraudulent practices of it by putting those who gave us 2008 in charge of regulating them. We are gonna to fix government by eradicating it.

But what would folks like me know. We’re just looking at this from outside the bubbles using common sense and old school values to filter this all through.

 

[Along Came Jones]

Re: What does it take to bring you folks back to reality based thinking folks?

The fact based reality is that on January 6 Trump will be President until the end of his term of office or until a third impeachment concludes by conviction and removal from office.

Two means by which a citizen might oppose Trump is to pressure their congress people to legislate and exercise oversight in their favor and not his; and contribute money and volunteer time to an activist group with an effective legal department. That's doing something. Others may see other viable options.

But, the fact based reality is there are no presidential actions to oppose until he actually does something during his new term of office.

 

[dncc]

Honestly, i think it's being driven by disbelief at how far America has fallen, and the misplaced hope that it can be righted. The notion that perhaps if enough light is put on the uniquely suicidal nature of voting for Trump, maybe Americans will return to their senses and minimize the consequences of their lapse in judgement.

Me, personally, I'm not sure there's much point. Something has broken, friends are suddenly strangers, rooting for each other's demise. Truth is no longer relevant or valued. Decency is seen as a weakness.

There doesn't appear to be much point in talking at all.

I don't go to a lot of movies and sometimes I miss entire phenomena so forgive me if there are more relevant examples that are front of mind; but what occurs to me is that scene in Titanic where Molly Brown is on the lifeboat and she stands up and tries to get the rest of the people on the boat to go back for survivors. If you didn't see the movie, they don't want to go back because they fear being swamped. When she resists, she is threatened with violence. That is sort of how I feel about the nation at this point. The malignant narcissist scumbag piece of shit liar grifter rapist seditionist felon serial adulterer and tax cheat convinced a majority of voters that we're in danger if we try to make things better for all Americans. I wouldn't have thought it could ever happen on the national scale--the GOP has been doing it in Texas for generations. But it has. I likely won't live to see the recovery down the road (if there is one).

But yeah...what you said is absolutely correct...there is a small chance that some will realize what they did...but thats doubtful. We're going to become the Donner party at some point...realizing that we became a nation that was no longer worthy of it's founding principles. And to think...Trump is actually to the left of some of his supporters. Give that some thought.

 

[Jredbaron96]

What does that matter?

Its what he ran on.

As I said - the prove water is wet thing is a leftist demand. For some reason the Marxists think it's cute or clever.


It isn't.

I accept your concession that you were wrong.

 

[AZRWinger]

We're here discussing the fact that Trump is walking back his promises, this isn't opinion, this is reaction, and the only ones living in a fantasy world are the folks who didn't see it coming.

You commented in #133.

"Sorry, you can be as pissy as you like, the rest of the world is shaking their heads at you. "

My comment was in response to this.

It's understandable you want to change the subject.

 

[OlNate]

Any supporter who believes their candidate's campaign promises are more than wishfulness is dream walking. Some Presidents simply have better records at compromise or fulfillment than others.

Last 4 full terms (Source Politifact)
Obama made 533 promises, fulfilled 47%, compromised on 27%, and broke 23%
Trump made 100 promises, fulfilled 23%, compromised on 22%, and broke 53%
Biden made at least 99 promises, fulfilled 32%, compromised on 19%, broke 32%, stalled on 2% and has about 14% still in work.

I don't disagree in general, but we're not talking about a few broken promises this time. We're talking about the whole reason folks say they voted him - "the economy".

The fact is, anyone should have been able to tell that pretty much everything he promised over social media, in his interviews, and at his rallies were at best too ridiculous to deliver upon, at worst disastrous for your country if he does deliver.

 

[OlNate]

You commented in #133.

"Sorry, you can be as pissy as you like, the rest of the world is shaking their heads at you. "

My comment was in response to this.

It's understandable you want to change the subject.

You think what you said changes anything about the world shaking its head? Lol

You've got the biggest army, and you put it in the hands of an egotistical child. Don't confuse the need to deal with you as respect.

 

[OlNate]

I don't go to a lot of movies and sometimes I miss entire phenomena so forgive me if there are more relevant examples that are front of mind; but what occurs to me is that scene in Titanic where Molly Brown is on the lifeboat and she stands up and tries to get the rest of the people on the boat to go back for survivors. If you didn't see the movie, they don't want to go back because they fear being swamped. When she resists, she is threatened with violence. That is sort of how I feel about the nation at this point. The malignant narcissist scumbag piece of shit liar grifter rapist seditionist felon serial adulterer and tax cheat convinced a majority of voters that we're in danger if we try to make things better for all Americans. I wouldn't have thought it could ever happen on the national scale--the GOP has been doing it in Texas for generations. But it has. I likely won't live to see the recovery down the road (if there is one).

But yeah...what you said is absolutely correct...there is a small chance that some will realize what they did...but thats doubtful. We're going to become the Donner party at some point...realizing that we became a nation that was no longer worthy of it's founding principles. And to think...Trump is actually to the left of some of his supporters. Give that some thought.

Yeah, I'm sorry to read all of this. Sorry for all of you.

 

[AZRWinger]

You think what you said changes anything about the world shaking its head? Lol

You've got the biggest army, and you put it in the hands of an egotistical child. Don't confuse the need to deal with you as respect.

You think the world leaders rushing to get in Trump's good graces doesn't refute your claim? Specifically which world leaders of governments are shaking their heads in disapproval?

No, the US doesn't have the biggest army in the world. The egotistical child as you put it broke the string of US Presidents getting us into new wars.

Let's see, new trade deal replacing NAFTA, stage 1 trade deal with China, border security deal with Mexico and the Abraham Accords. In addition, Trump got us out of the Paris climate agreement and the Iranian sham nuclear deal. No doubt Democrats will condemn these accomplishments as failures but they are evidence world leaders aren't "shaking their heads in disbelief" at Trump.

 

[Mike1950]

You're living in a fantasy world. Trump hasn't even been sworn in but the 50+ world leaders assembled for the ND reopening treated him as POTUS. Meanwhile a parade of formerly hostile business leaders and even Democrat politicians like Eric Adams have paraded to Trump’s home.

Think about what you just said. Why would this be. Why would businesses that had been hostile to him suddenly "parade" to pay homage to him? The reason is that a fascist leader in a fascist government wields the power to make or break businesses. They are only allowed to exist and thrive if they are subservient to the government and it's leader. On top of that Trump has shown and proven many times that he is an extremely vengeful person, as all fake Christians are. Trump has already been talking about having his government wreck havoc on businesses and other countries if they don't bend the knee to him literally and personally. He has even gone so far as to say he will sic his DOJ, FCC and other agencies on networks that dare to say to disagree with him or if they call him out on things. We saw two major newspapers where their owners prevented their papers from publishing their endorsements of Trump's opponents purely based on fear of retaliation to their business empires. Free speech is only for him, Elon, and his minions. As for Foreign countries we also know that he will base his treatment of them purely on the level that they kowtow to him personally. Remember his treatment of Ukraine when they would not lie and manufacture evidence of crimes against his political enemies and his complete reversal on Russia based solely on the fact that they helped him politically. We are still seeing his treatment of these two countries being based purely on this.
His behavior is totally against what has always been viewed as American Values. But then we have seen, for a long time, that neither he, Fox or the MAGA party share any of our traditional American Values.

 

[OlNate]

You think the world leaders rushing to get in Trump's good graces doesn't refute your claim? Specifically which world leaders of governments are shaking their heads in disapproval?

Most likely the same group that laughed at him the first time around - remember that time at the UN?

Also included would be your allies and trade partners that trump is threatening with nonsense tariffs and leaving alliances.

And then there's the ones that simply prefer more presidential presidents.

Bud, the list is forever long. Again, needing to deal with the reality of what the American voter thrust upon the world does not equate to respect. Your dude is essentially white trash with a big bank account. Let's not pretend he's more, k?

No, the US doesn't have the biggest army in the world. The egotistical child as you put it broke the string of US Presidents getting us into new wars.

Top 10 Powerful Countries In the World By Military Strength

Top 10 most powerful countries globally by military strength, ranked using the Global Military Ranking System based on the PowerIndex system of the Global Firepower organization, is discussed here in detail.

www.pw.live

Trump stays out of wars by kicking cans. His influence the first time around was utterly meaningless, given that pretty much everything he bragged about went back to the way it was once he was out of office. Even your enemies know they simply need to wait out your term limits to resume doing whatever they please. Trump is like eating chinese food ... yeah, you feel full when you leave, but you're hungry 30 minutes later.

Let's see, new trade deal replacing NAFTA, stage 1 trade deal with China, border security deal with Mexico and the Abraham Accords. In addition, Trump got us out of the Paris climate agreement and the Iranian sham nuclear deal. No doubt Democrats will condemn these accomplishments as failures but they are evidence world leaders aren't "shaking their heads in disbelief" at Trump.

No, sorry, they are not. Your president is a pig. That's how the non-pig world sees him. I will concede that other pigs do like him and welcome his return. You know, the guys you normally look at as enemies? Yeah, those guys. They think he's great.

 

[Uncensored2008]

He's in office until January. It's too bad you have a hard time realizing that.

Reality is a bitter pill for the Marxists to swallow.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/07/politics/video/donald-trump-emmanuel-macron-elysee-palace-meet-digvid

They don't nor is there evidence of that, so you can spin your wheels on this nonsense.

Reality is a bitter pill for the Marxists to swallow.

Trump isn't back in office but he's already pushing his agenda and negotiating with world leaders

Donald Trump is making threats, traveling abroad, and negotiating with world leaders. He has more than a month-and-a-half to go before he’s sworn in for a second term.

apnews.com

It wasn't, and I pointed out why.


He has no actual power to do so yet.

Pretending is all the Marxists have left at this point - well that an hoping America fails.