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You know its very hard. LOL

Uncensored2008 said:
Your shameful party failed miserably this time around.



Oh yes, your nonsensical inside out, upside down, light is dark, water is dry, ultra childish routine.

No matter, you lost - bigly. America won.
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Well Putin won. But you can't really expect better from those MAGA commies.
 
devildavid said:
What sides are you talking about? I am on the side of wanting a competent president who cares about the betterment of the country. Instead we have once again installed an incompetent demagogue who only knows how to fool enough voters to get elected based using his usual hyperbole and demagoguery. I am on the side of America, not a demagogue who is only out for himself. Already government is being sold to the highest bidders right in plain sight.
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Lol, I hope you can see the humor of a Biden supporter saying they’re on the side of “wanting a competent president.”
 
X Factor said:
Lol, I hope you can see the humor of a Biden supporter saying they’re on the side of “wanting a competent president.”
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No, because Biden factually was competent. He got major legislation passed because he understands how to get things done through government when your party is in the majority. He made hay while the sun was shining. He fulfilled campaign promises. I can only see your political bias in not recognizing these facts. Also, even though no president can really take the blame of credit, the economy is factually getting better and the stock market reached record highs.

Trump failed to take advantage of a Republican majority in his first two years got none of what he promised dome. and He also failed at providing proper leadership during the pandemic. He has no understanding of how things are done in government. He is only capable of getting elected, but has no clue about governing.

I can only see the humor of those who think that Trump has ever been a successful businessman, let alone a successful president. His track record is one of failure and corruption.
 
X Factor said:
Is it maybe time to change your sig?
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Meh, I'll keep it for as long as I like, but probably. He was still a better choice when compared to Harris' platform and the form of communism Trump seeks to bring.
 
X Factor said:
I mean, I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that I disagree with your characterization of Trump’s win as “suicidal” or showing us not having sense but I have pondered that “minimizing consequences for a lapse of judgment” in a different context. I’d seen on social media a number of anti Trump supposed righties try to sell voting for Harris and doing so by saying something along the lines of vote for all the other Repubs you want and that’ll be check on a Harris administration. I wonder now, if a lot of folks were convinced that all these people from both parties were going to vote Harris so they voted for Repubs as a way to “minimize the consequences” of a Harris administration and just ended up delivering a Repub trifecta. I don’t know for sure, obviously, just something I think possible.

Nate, I’ve seen what anti Trump “truth” and “decency” has looked like that last eight or so years so you can miss me with any lecture about how terrible Trump voters are. I truly don’t intend that to be mean or a dig on you. I’m just saying, I’ve heard it all before.
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These aren't even really about anti- Trump points. This is just basic stuff, and it wouldn't have made sense no matter who said it. You don't reduce costs by creating taxes that can be taxed, which is what tariffs are.

And while I'm not saying Harris would have helped you all that much, or that I'm a fan of her's, she would have at least resulted in not as much pain. She would have hurt you less.

I'm not trying to talk about Trump with you, brother, not this close to Christmas. In fact, I retract my original statement. 2025 is the find out year, we might as well enjoy the last bit of 2024. As ****ed up as it's been, the future, based not on Trump but on certain basic truths about economics and diplomacy, is ... something I wish I could stop thinking about.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Leftists are less than the brightest and best. So most of the radical leftists simply lack the requisite IQ points to grasp that American politics are basically like a pendulum. It swings left then swings right, then left again. The middle is where most people want it to be, but the back and forth swing happens. The issue is that in this case the pendulum swung SO FAR to the left, coupled with the shenanigans of the 2020 election, that the momentum swinging back is extreme.

America is tired of the extremism of the Marxist democrats and their lying media. It isn't that we love Trump so much; it's that we are done with you - we are done with the Marxist totalitarianism of the Green Raw Deal. The freak show of the church of trans, and the grooming of children.

The left elected Trump with their radicalism.
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While the continued misuse of the word "Marxist" is so eye roll inducing that i might have to get my glasses prescription changed, I get your point about the pendulum, it's very much the same up here.

The difference is that both sides of the American spectrum have gone extreme, to the point where it's less of a pendulum and more of a wrecking ball.

I don't particularly care about the sides bullshit, and i certainly do not define myself in that context. And while I have plenty of reason to despise Trump, I'm bored of debating topics that center around him, as just the mention of his name appears to have the Pavlovian effect of forcing everyone to immediately thrust their heads up their ass.

The policies and election promises can be debated, however, and a lot of the things Trump happens to be behind would be dumb AF no matter who proposed them.

In this case, aka the thread topic, anyone with basic common sense and even a tiny bit of understanding of economics could have forseen the need to walk back these promises. That they didn't when it came time to vote speaks to a phenomenon that goes beyond the realm of basic politics, and would appear to imply a much greater, self destructive dysfunction in America.
 
Demon said:
I love that song.
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I do too. But it's kinda sad when you apply it to this context. At first I thought it was a good bit of snark. But in listening to it a few times and thinking about all you folks are going through right now, well... yeah, sad is the word I'm going with.
 
Hari Seldon said:

SUCKERS!
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Not really most of us are smart enough to realize whatever one candidate "promises" will be fought tooth and nail in congress and know unless he has a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate his success rate won't be stunning.
 
Bullseye said:
Not really most of us are smart enough to realize whatever one candidate "promises" will be fought tooth and nail in congress and know unless he has a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate his success rate won't be stunning.
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No that's the trouble. Most belive the bullshit spouted by the malignant narcissist scumbag piece of shit liar grifter rapist seditionist felon serial adulterer and tax cheat.
 
Hari Seldon said:
No that's the trouble. Most belive the bullshit spouted by the malignant narcissist scumbag piece of shit liar grifter rapist seditionist felon serial adulterer and tax cheat.
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Great reply :rolleyes:
 
I wish I could go back to the days of very hard.


Now that I'm in my 70s, it's more a case of "well, I guess that'll do".
 
Uncensored2008 said:
STILL throwing a temper tantrum because America rejected your party?

Time to move on to the next stage of grief.
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A temperature tantrum? Its a temperature tantrum to note that Trump is acknowledging that he can't fix the thing he ran on?
 
X Factor said:
In the event that there are first time Trump voters lurking here just know that there’ll be many attempts, probably until the end of time, to get you to say/feel that you regret or you were wrong or that you’re sorry you voted for him. Trying to separate Trump from his voters/supporters has been a weird obsession of some on the left since his first term.
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Enjoy the not fulfilled promises.
 
OlNate said:
Honestly, i think it's being driven by disbelief at how far America has fallen, and the misplaced hope that it can be righted. The notion that perhaps if enough light is put on the uniquely suicidal nature of voting for Trump, maybe Americans will return to their senses and minimize the consequences of their lapse in judgement.

Me, personally, I'm not sure there's much point. Something has broken, friends are suddenly strangers, rooting for each other's demise. Truth is no longer relevant or valued. Decency is seen as a weakness.

There doesn't appear to be much point in talking at all.
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How right you are.
 
Lovebug said:
Magates will love him regardless and dutifully pay the high prices.
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His sychophants will but there were plenty that voted for him because they believed some of his bullshit. Plus 36% chose not to vote. I suspect there will be regrets.
 
Ikari said:
I don't have to try at ending the Constitutional Republic, MAGA is all about that movement. They're dirty commies.
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Voting 3rd party carries some guilt, I hope?
 
Hari Seldon said:
His sychophants will but there were plenty that voted for him because they believed some of his bullshit. Plus 36% chose not to vote. I suspect there will be regrets.
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Voting for the convict, staying home, throwing the vote or voting third, not willing to vote for a woman, I blame all of them.
I have a lot of issues about what Harris ran on but c'mon, was it worth to let this______back into the WH?
 
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