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If you say so
If you say soAnd the most scathing mockery.
Your retreat is noted.
Bye.
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There really is no discussing this stuff with you
I remember just before the 2014 Israeli mass slaughter of Palestinians how the tentative Fatah-Hamas Reconciliation Agreement unity government were left in tatters after the conflict. Crucially we see Netanyahu telling statement on just how easy it is to manipulate the division they so seek.
2014 Fatah–Hamas Agreements - Wikipedia
As Hamas Loses Tunnels, Terror Takes to Air and Sea
Since the end of the 2014 conflict, enough cement has entered Gaza to build 16 Burj Khalifa skyscrapers in Dubai—the tallest building in the world. That cement has largely gone underground, feeding Hamas’s war machine.
Gaza’s soft sandstone made it possible for diggers to make rapid progress during the peak days of the tunnel project. The tunnels contained rails, electricity, ventilation, communications lines and oxygen tanks—tanks that were originally sent to Gaza for hospital use.
The tunnels are a symbol of Hamas’s priorities: The military build-up always takes precedent over investing funds in Gaza’s civilian population.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the 15,000-strong terror faction (compared to the 35,000-strong Hamas), has also been investing heavily in expanding its own rocket arsenal and was able to overtake Hamas in possessing the largest quantity of projectiles in Gaza.
Both organizations receive Iranian money—some $100 million in the past two years, according to Mossad chief Yossi Levi—and Iranian technical know-how. They convert these into a sprawling domestic-arms industry that produces Gaza’s rocket arsenal at home, without the need to depend on smuggling.
Hamas uses every component at its disposal for rocket manufacturing, even salt for propellant needed during the initial launch phase. The combined arsenal of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad exceeds 20,000 rockets.
During a recent escalation that erupted in May following a PIJ sniper attack, Gazan terrorist factions fired 690 projectiles at southern Israel in a mere two days and tried to overwhelm the Iron Dome air-defense system.
For more see here:
As Hamas Loses Tunnels, Terror Takes to Air and Sea | The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Yaakov Lappin | 13 Tammuz 5779 – July 16, 2019 | JewishPress.com
Bolding mine.
Fledermaus:
Isn't the bolded statement true of America too, which spends about $720 billion on its military but can't find enough money for a much needed comprehensive infrastructure rebuilding programme or universal medical care. The Palestinians are an militarily occupied people under a very lethal foreign military's power. Gaza is under seige from the State of Israel which regularly militarily raids into the Occupied Territories. Going underground makes perfect sense from a "Stalingrad" or "Leningrad" perspective, and such perspectives make good sense to the Palestinian situation.
Rockets and mortars are weapons of resistance and therefore needed by a people determined to militarily resist their military occupiers.
How much American money does the State of Israel recieve in money and military aid from the USA? Money and weapons used to kill and maim Palestinians resisting occupation, protesting along the Gaza frontier or huddling in their homes when Israeli aircraft or artillery raid/attack their neighborhoods. This is proxy war between America and Iran among other powers and American money in the hundreds of billions is far more responsible for perpetuating this conflict than Iranian money in the hundreds of millions.
Gaza and the West Bank are resisting a foreign military occupation so of course their going to direct very scarce resources towards that resistance.
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Ah, Whataboutism and the "resisting a foreign military occupation" canard.
What "foreign military occupation" are you speaking of IRT Gaza?
And this "foreign military occupation" is resisted by slinging rockets and mortars at civilian sectors? Really?
I thought that one would resist "foreign military occupation" by taking on the "foreign military".
But that is clearly not what happens. For every strike on the IDF there are hundreds if not thousands of strikes on civilians.
Fledermaus:
It's not whataboutism when the money fuelling the occupying force's military is coming from America, it's a valid comparison.
Gaza is part of the Palestinian Occupied Territories and your pointless and feeble attempts to split it away from the rest of the Palestinian Occupied Territories has been addressed in other threads. So long as any part of the Palestinian Occupied Territories is militarily occupied then Palestinian militants from all Palestinian Territories will likely resist such occupation violently.
Really? Yes. I don't agree with that thinking but that is the thinking of the Total War which Palestinian militants are waging to cost the State of Israel so much blood and treasure that they change their policy. Unfortunately the USA is subsidising that depleting treasury and insulating the State of Israel from the full monetary costs of its own expansionist and militaristic policies.
In total war even civilians are fair game. Be it rocket attacks against Israeli civilians or de-housing campaigns against Gaza's civilians, both are criminal in my mind but both are part of the Total War doctrine.. That's why both the Palestinian militants and the State of Israel are targeting civilians in their own special ways.
If you can't defeat the army, you must attack those who feed and supply the Army. Remember General Sherman in the ACW?
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
But lets play "Total War.
Israel goes in with fire and fury and does not stop until every Hamas leader is dead and/or missing.
Israel COULD do Total War. They don't.
So why don't you ask yourself the question of why they don't ?
Why don't Israel invade Gaza and kill or capture all Hamas people and destroy the faction altogether ?
You keep claiming this is "Total War". Israel appears not to think so.
Lets hear your CONSPIRACY THEORY why Israel doesn't.
So why don't you ask yourself the question of why they don't ?
Why don't Israel invade Gaza and kill or capture all Hamas people and destroy the faction altogether ?
Total war isn't usually how I term it, I just say war or armed conflict.
I asked you a question and because you don't have an answer you ask your own ? lol
Have a guess, why do you think Israel doesn't invade and destroy Hamas ?
Let's see what you know and don't know about the relationship......hmmm
A non answer. How unique.
For you ? standard posting style, I agree.
Recall it was yourself who didn't answer the question put to you ? Or are you seriously that unaware/living in denial ?
For you ? standard posting style, I agree.
Recall it was yourself who didn't answer the question put to you ? Or are you seriously that unaware/living in denial ?
People can only "engage" with reasonably open/fair people. hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as 'massacre" and "war crimes" for any/every action by the IDF. People who eschew using hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as "massace" and "war crimes" at any/every IDF response to attacks. Those who are compelled to hang on to deep seated and long held anti-Israel biases, people like yourself, don't qualify imo so for me to laugh at you is wholly reasonable as is my mocking your retreat. I happily take you to task for the biased anti Israel commentary found in virtually all of your posts in case anyone might take them seriously . Outside of that they hold no interest at all tbh
Let the Pallies get statehood, and have to follow the rules of the world.
Then when they shoot rockets, it is an act of war, and Israel will erase them.
People can only "engage" with reasonably open/fair people. hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as 'massacre" and "war crimes" for any/every action by the IDF. People who eschew using hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as "massace" and "war crimes" at any/every IDF response to attacks. Those who are compelled to hang on to deep seated and long held anti-Israel biases, people like yourself, don't qualify imo so for me to laugh at you is wholly reasonable as is my mocking your retreat. I happily take you to task for the biased anti Israel commentary found in virtually all of your posts in case anyone might take them seriously . Outside of that they hold no interest at all tbh
Let the Pallies get statehood, and have to follow the rules of the world.
Then when they shoot rockets, it is an act of war, and Israel will erase them.
Wow do you let the cat of of the bag in the above. There's a palpable wish to see the " Pallies " getting " erased " by Israel. Vile!!
Wow do you let the cat of of the bag in the above. There's a palpable wish to see the " Pallies " getting " erased " by Israel. Vile!!
Why do you think documented war crimes committed by the IDF are "hyperbole" and "inflammatory", because you don't like hearing truth that conflicts with your narrative? Here's a hint; the majority of decent people don't have an "anti-Israeli bias", they have an anti-Israeli government bias. See if you can figure out the difference. Furthermore your commentary is fundamentally dishonest as you never acknowledge any wrongdoing on the part of the Israeli government or its armed forces. Everything is always directed back at Arabs; it's always their fault for everything as far as you are concerned.
Way too ironic.
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