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As Hamas Loses Tunnels, Terror Takes to Air and Sea


Since the end of the 2014 conflict, enough cement has entered Gaza to build 16 Burj Khalifa skyscrapers in Dubai—the tallest building in the world. That cement has largely gone underground, feeding Hamas’s war machine.

Gaza’s soft sandstone made it possible for diggers to make rapid progress during the peak days of the tunnel project. The tunnels contained rails, electricity, ventilation, communications lines and oxygen tanks—tanks that were originally sent to Gaza for hospital use.

The tunnels are a symbol of Hamas’s priorities: The military build-up always takes precedent over investing funds in Gaza’s civilian population.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the 15,000-strong terror faction (compared to the 35,000-strong Hamas), has also been investing heavily in expanding its own rocket arsenal and was able to overtake Hamas in possessing the largest quantity of projectiles in Gaza.

Both organizations receive Iranian money—some $100 million in the past two years, according to Mossad chief Yossi Levi—and Iranian technical know-how. They convert these into a sprawling domestic-arms industry that produces Gaza’s rocket arsenal at home, without the need to depend on smuggling.

Hamas uses every component at its disposal for rocket manufacturing, even salt for propellant needed during the initial launch phase. The combined arsenal of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad exceeds 20,000 rockets.

During a recent escalation that erupted in May following a PIJ sniper attack, Gazan terrorist factions fired 690 projectiles at southern Israel in a mere two days and tried to overwhelm the Iron Dome air-defense system.

For more see here:
As Hamas Loses Tunnels, Terror Takes to Air and Sea | The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Yaakov Lappin | 13 Tammuz 5779 – July 16, 2019 | JewishPress.com
 
Of course Hamas opposes development. It would end their tyranny. Give people opportunities other than poverty and terrorism, and they take those opportunities. That's the last thing Hamas wants. If Palestinians were online reading wiki and debating here, there wouldn't be a Hamas. People don't choose that crap.
 
Of course Hamas opposes development. It would end their tyranny. Give people opportunities other than poverty and terrorism, and they take those opportunities. That's the last thing Hamas wants. If Palestinians were online reading wiki and debating here, there wouldn't be a Hamas. People don't choose that crap.

If you want to fool yourself into believing everything would be rosy in the garden if it were not for Hamas feel free but those of us who have followed events will see that as a naive view.
 
I dont trust a source called the "Jewish Press"

OF course they would be against Hamas and Palestine, too biased

In Moscow, Hamas offers 4 plans for Palestinian unity

Better source

The last thing Israel wants is a unified Palestinian National Council with representatives from all of the factions etc etc

Like all imperialists they seek to sow the seeds of division in the opposition so as tohave them fight with eachother instead of themselves.

The Hamas leadership has shown it can offer pragmatic steps to try to unite the Palestinian political factionalism that hampers their cause.

Fatah , having sold out to be recognized internationally as the voice of the Palestinian people , are loathe to consider any challenge to their dictatorship so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Any sign of it coming anywhere near creating the conditions for a united Palestinian political opposition will be scuppered by Israel in the usual way. A large scale attack on Gaza with many dead and much destruction. It's just that easy for them to do , sadly.
 
The last thing Israel wants is a unified Palestinian National Council with representatives from all of the factions etc etc

Like all imperialists they seek to sow the seeds of division in the opposition so as tohave them fight with eachother instead of themselves.

The Hamas leadership has shown it can offer pragmatic steps to try to unite the Palestinian political factionalism that hampers their cause.

Fatah , having sold out to be recognized internationally as the voice of the Palestinian people , are loathe to consider any challenge to their dictatorship so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Any sign of it coming anywhere near creating the conditions for a united Palestinian political opposition will be scuppered by Israel in the usual way. A large scale attack on Gaza with many dead and much destruction. It's just that easy for them to do , sadly.

Why do you imagine a large scale attack on Gaza would scupper united Palestinian political opposition?

One would think it would strengthen the drive towards a united Palestine.

Oh, that's right. Palestinian groups have no desire to unite. You just needed a ready made excuse for Palestinian failure.
 
If you want to fool yourself into believing everything would be rosy in the garden if it were not for Hamas feel free but those of us who have followed events will see that as a naive view.

No one claimed any such thing and running to this childish absolutism is all you can muster in defense of Hamas.
 
No one claimed any such thing and running to this childish absolutism is all you can muster in defense of Hamas.

There is no defence of Hamas only the observation that they are usually the whipping boys for why there is an ongoing conflict , which is definitely not the case. There are the facts and then there are the opinions, sorting through them is what I find interesting and your commentary on them so far is the usual stuff we see day in day out as thought ere is nothing else to know but that they commit terrorist acts/war crimes. Just like like others in the mix , including Israel.
 
Why do you imagine a large scale attack on Gaza would scupper united Palestinian political opposition?

One would think it would strengthen the drive towards a united Palestine.

Oh, that's right. Palestinian groups have no desire to unite. You just needed a ready made excuse for Palestinian failure.

I waste too much of my time responding to your biased nonsense on this subject so will only address the last sentence which is just based on more anti Arab bias.

There have been a few attempts and some success in trying toi unite the Palestinian factions with a Hamas initiative being the most recent.
 
I waste too much of my time responding to your biased nonsense on this subject so will only address the last sentence which is just based on more anti Arab bias.

There have been a few attempts and some success in trying toi unite the Palestinian factions with a Hamas initiative being the most recent.

Classic... You make an assertion but when called on it you run.
 
The last thing Israel wants is a unified Palestinian National Council with representatives from all of the factions etc etc

Like all imperialists they seek to sow the seeds of division in the opposition so as tohave them fight with eachother instead of themselves.

The Hamas leadership has shown it can offer pragmatic steps to try to unite the Palestinian political factionalism that hampers their cause.

Fatah , having sold out to be recognized internationally as the voice of the Palestinian people , are loathe to consider any challenge to their dictatorship so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Any sign of it coming anywhere near creating the conditions for a united Palestinian political opposition will be scuppered by Israel in the usual way. A large scale attack on Gaza with many dead and much destruction. It's just that easy for them to do , sadly.

Yeah, its a sad reality:3oops:
 
Yeah, its a sad reality:3oops:

I remember just before the 2014 Israeli mass slaughter of Palestinians how the tentative Fatah-Hamas Reconciliation Agreement unity government were left in tatters after the conflict. Crucially we see Netanyahu telling statement on just how easy it is to manipulate the division they so seek.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Abbas of sabotaging peace efforts. He said that Abbas cannot have peace with both Hamas and Israel and has to choose

2014 Fatah–Hamas Agreements - Wikipedia
 
I remember just before the 2014 Israeli mass slaughter of Palestinians how the tentative Fatah-Hamas Reconciliation Agreement unity government were left in tatters after the conflict. Crucially we see Netanyahu telling statement on just how easy it is to manipulate the division they so seek.



2014 Fatah–Hamas Agreements - Wikipedia

From your link...

During the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, that broke out on 8 July, the Shin Bet revealed an alleged plot by Hamas to depose Fatah rule in the West Bank. This was to be achieved by deploying Hamas cells around the West Bank to incite a third intifada and overwhelm Palestinian Authority forces. More than 90 people were arrested. President Abbas said the plot was "a grave threat to the unity of the Palestinian people and its future."

Hmmmmm

As to the "massacre"

Following the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas members, the IDF conducted Operation Brother's Keeper to arrest militant leaders, Hamas fired rockets into Israel and a seven-week conflict broke out. It was one of the deadliest conflicts between the Palestinians and Israeli in decades. The combined Israeli airstrikes and ground bombardment and Palestinian rocket attacks resulted in thousands of deaths, the vast majority of which were Gazans.
2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia

Hamas being Hamas leads to the deaths of Gazans.
 
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From your link...

During the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, that broke out on 8 July, the Shin Bet revealed an alleged plot by Hamas to depose Fatah rule in the West Bank. This was to be achieved by deploying Hamas cells around the West Bank to incite a third intifada and overwhelm Palestinian Authority forces. More than 90 people were arrested. President Abbas said the plot was "a grave threat to the unity of the Palestinian people and its future."

Hmmmmm

Familiarize yourself with what the word " alleged " means. Factor in the source, an Israeli secret security outfit. Factor in the news source, an Israeli propaganda rag noted for spouting alleged events from " intelligence " sources ( usually unnamed Israeli military )Think about divide and conquer employed throughout history with great success and all becomes clearer . well at least for those who are free from a good western indoctrination , so that might be a bridge too far for you .

As to the "massacre"

Following the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas members, the IDF conducted Operation Brother's Keeper to arrest militant leaders, Hamas fired rockets into Israel and a seven-week conflict broke out. It was one of the deadliest conflicts between the Palestinians and Israeli in decades. The combined Israeli airstrikes and ground bombardment and Palestinian rocket attacks resulted in thousands of deaths, the vast majority of which were Gazans.
2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia

Hamas being Hamas leads to the deaths of Gazans.


Operation Brother's Keeper was deliberately OTT so as to create the very reaction ( rocket fire ) from Hamas that would serve as a pretext for another mass slaughter of Palestinians at the hands of the IDF and rubbish any chances of a Hamas/Fatah reconciliation.

People who understand how divide and conquer tactics works won't need this simple to decipher stuff explaining to them
 
Familiarize yourself with what the word " alleged " means. Factor in the source, an Israeli secret security outfit. Factor in the news source, an Israeli propaganda rag noted for spouting alleged events from " intelligence " sources ( usually unnamed Israeli military )Think about divide and conquer employed throughout history with great success and all becomes clearer . well at least for those who are free from a good western indoctrination , so that might be a bridge too far for you .




Operation Brother's Keeper was deliberately OTT so as to create the very reaction ( rocket fire ) from Hamas that would serve as a pretext for another mass slaughter of Palestinians at the hands of the IDF and rubbish any chances of a Hamas/Fatah reconciliation.

People who understand how divide and conquer tactics works won't need this simple to decipher stuff explaining to them

Familiarize yourself with Hamas modus operandi.

And Israel forced Hamas to kidnap and kill people?

Really?
 
Did Israel force Hamas to kidnap the teenagers?

That is what prompted the 2014 drubbing Hamas got.

There really is no discussing this stuff with you and to do so is vile anyhow.To ignore the whole OTT reaction to those kidnappings and murders ( a story all by itself with Israeli people making out they were alive when they knew they were dead etc etc ) that was designed to escalate things and initiate a larger conflict and to top it all , the absolute disregard for the mass of civilian deaths including hundreds of kids that reaction caused with a chest beating " Hamas got drubbed " is completely vile imo
 
There really is no discussing this stuff with you and to do so is vile anyhow.To ignore the whole OTT reaction to those kidnappings and murders ( a story all by itself with Israeli people making out they were alive when they knew they were dead etc etc ) that was designed to escalate things and initiate a larger conflict and to top it all , the absolute disregard for the mass of civilian deaths including hundreds of kids that reaction caused with a chest beating " Hamas got drubbed " is completely vile imo

A whole lot of words that are rather disconnected from reality....

I can see why you no longer wish to engage.
 
A whole lot of words that are rather disconnected from reality....

I can see why you no longer wish to engage.

People can only "engage" with reasonably open/fair people. Those who are compelled to hang on to deep seated and long held biases, people like yourself, don't qualify imo so for me to disengage is wholly reasonable. I only ever take you to task for the biased commentary found in virtually all of your posts in case anyone might take them seriously . Outside of that they hold no interest at all tbh
 
People can only "engage" with reasonably open/fair people. Those who are compelled to hang on to deep seated and long held biases, people like yourself, don't qualify imo so for me to disengage is wholly reasonable. I only ever take you to task for the biased commentary found in virtually all of your posts in case anyone might take them seriously . Outside of that they hold no interest at all tbh

People can only "engage" with reasonably open/fair people. hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as 'massacre" and "war crimes" for any/every action by the IDF. People who eschew using hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as "massace" and "war crimes" at any/every IDF response to attacks. Those who are compelled to hang on to deep seated and long held anti-Israel biases, people like yourself, don't qualify imo so for me to laugh at you is wholly reasonable as is my mocking your retreat. I happily take you to task for the biased anti Israel commentary found in virtually all of your posts in case anyone might take them seriously . Outside of that they hold no interest at all tbh
 
People can only "engage" with reasonably open/fair people. hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as 'massacre" and "war crimes" for any/every action by the IDF. People who eschew using hyperbolic and inflammatory terms such as "massace" and "war crimes" at any/every IDF response to attacks. Those who are compelled to hang on to deep seated and long held anti-Israel biases, people like yourself, don't qualify imo so for me to laugh at you is wholly reasonable as is my mocking your retreat. I happily take you to task for the biased anti Israel commentary found in virtually all of your posts in case anyone might take them seriously . Outside of that they hold no interest at all tbh

Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery and all. :)
 
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