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You can not change a Trupsters mind, even with the truth!!

haymarket said:
My disagreement with you was with the numbs you threw out without a shred of documentation. That should have been clear from a reading of it.
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Your numbers reply has no relevance to the number that actually voted for him (supporters). It is sad you do not understand that. Very sad.



haymarket said:
It is you who have been making irrelevant replies in your invocation of two words - CONSTITUTIONAL SUPREMACY - as some sort of catch all ace up your sleeve designed to negate my argument about the corrupt use of an executive power given by the constitution .

But simply prove me wrong and link to the specific post where you provided that analysis with evidence.
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Wrong as usual haymarket and absurd as well.

So because you fail lin the other threads you spammed this in, you now spam it here. You must know that is wrong behavior here especially as it has not a dame thing to do with this topic.
Just another indication of why your postings are irrelevant as well as illogical.

And as you know what the phrase means, it was a complete refutation of your absurdly stupid comparison you made in that thread.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that no matter what, you can not change a Trumpsters mind, even with the truth. The reason being is they don't believe the truth, they believe Trump, no matter how far from the truth his statements. And even those that believe the truth, they give Trump a pass for anything and everything he does. Like the evangelicals giving him a mulligan for all of his cheating on his wives and his harassing of women. Of course he says all of those women are liars and of course true believers believe Trump. So, it is impossible to change the mind of someone who acts like a cultist, so don't argue with them, just tun the other cheek.
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I wish liberals would turn the other cheek ... :lamo
 
independentusa said:
Gee, that is really deep. Falling back on the "trump hater" theme has gotten very old. Can't you come up with something at least new?
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Something new? Is something new better than the truth?
 
Excon said:
Your numbers reply has no relevance to the number that actually voted for him (supporters). It is sad you do not understand that. Very sad.
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Again, Reading Is Fundamental and you need to do some.

In both 1964 with the Republicans selecting Goldwater and in 1972 with the Democrats picking McGovern, we witnessed a massive repudiation of both parties nominees by the vast vast majority of voters. Both were utter electoral disasters. But the low water point was achieved and we have something to measure against.

We know that even with the worst possible nominees, at least a full third of the electorate will vote for a Democrat or a Republican. This is something of unchallenged and accepted truth in the political science circles and has been for many decades now.

So we know that going in to 2016, 1/3 of the voters were going to go for both parties which left another 1/3 up for grabs. To describe all 63 million of Trump voters as members of th Trump cult would be dead wrong and to invoke it as a positive would also be dead wrong.

It would be nice if you could actually keep up with the discussion and engage in debate of the issue instead of just personal attacks and pompous pontification.

But you presented noting in the way of evidence to disprove my point.
 
itsforthekids said:
You misunderstand. When EVERYTHING that he says or does is considered "breaking news", we tend to not believe them. Most of their "breaking news" is proven to be bull****, but they never let people know that. Hell, even if it were proven that he did collude with putin, we just don't give a damn.
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This is the "General Politics" section. Not "Breaking News".

You're welcome.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that no matter what, you can not change a Trumpsters mind, even with the truth. The reason being is they don't believe the truth, they believe Trump, no matter how far from the truth his statements. And even those that believe the truth, they give Trump a pass for anything and everything he does. Like the evangelicals giving him a mulligan for all of his cheating on his wives and his harassing of women. Of course he says all of those women are liars and of course true believers believe Trump. So, it is impossible to change the mind of someone who acts like a cultist, so don't argue with them, just tun the other cheek.
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Every politician lies. Nothing to see here.
 
haymarket said:
Again, Reading Is Fundamental and you need to do some.
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You are projecting again.


haymarket said:
In both 1964 with the Republicans selecting Goldwater and in 1972 with the Democrats picking McGovern, we witnessed a massive repudiation of both parties nominees by the vast vast majority of voters. Both were utter electoral disasters. But the low water point was achieved and we have something to measure against.

We know that even with the worst possible nominees, at least a full third of the electorate will vote for a Democrat or a Republican. This is something of unchallenged and accepted truth in the political science circles and has been for many decades now.

So we know that going in to 2016, 1/3 of the voters were going to go for both parties which left another 1/3 up for grabs. To describe all 63 million of Trump voters as members of th Trump cult would be dead wrong and to invoke it as a positive would also be dead wrong.

It would be nice if you could actually keep up with the discussion and engage in debate of the issue instead of just personal attacks and pompous pontification.

But you presented noting in the way of evidence to disprove my point.
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You have already been dismissed for your absurd replies and for spamming of irrelevancies to the topic.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that no matter what, you can not change a Trump hater's mind, even with the truth. The reason being is they don't believe the truth, they hate Trump, no matter how far from the truth the media portrays him. And even those that believe the truth, they condemn Trump for anything and everything he does.
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See how easy it is to put the shoe on the other foot, and it's almost as accurate as you attempted to be?
 
haymarket said:
Apparently the word PROJECTING means that I am using your tactic that you taught me.
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iLOL So you are ignorant in that regard as well. Figures.
 
haymarket said:
And again you are unable to explain your pompous pontifications.
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:lamo
iLOL Says you, the one making irrelevant pompous pontifications.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that no matter what, you can not change a Trumpsters mind, even with the truth. The reason being is they don't believe the truth, they believe Trump, no matter how far from the truth his statements. And even those that believe the truth, they give Trump a pass for anything and everything he does. Like the evangelicals giving him a mulligan for all of his cheating on his wives and his harassing of women. Of course he says all of those women are liars and of course true believers believe Trump. So, it is impossible to change the mind of someone who acts like a cultist, so don't argue with them, just tun the other cheek.
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For the most part, not being able to change someone's mind that is for, votes or supports a president, candidate, elected official is the norm. I don't see why you expect them to change. It's the same thing as expecting someone who supported Clinton or Obama to changed their minds about them. Some may waiver from time to time, but most won't, Trumpers are the same.

I detested both Trump and Hillary as presidential candidates and I haven't changed my mind about either of them. It unchangeable. Many of you have tried to make be change my mind about Hillary, that she was the better candidate. I still believe that both Trump and Hillary were the dregs from the bottom of the barrel and I still would vote third party today if we had a rerun election today.

Let's face it, your anti-Trump and nothing Trump will ever do will cause you to change your mind. Why do you expect someone who is pro Trump to change theirs? The people who are more likely to change their minds about Trump are independents, they're less partisan, less attached to political candidates or party. They're non-affiliated. They have changed some. From the end of January 2017 when independents had a 44/41 favorable/unfavorable view of Trump to 37/49 favorable/unfavorable. Republicans at the end of January 2017 83/14 favorable/unfavorable, today 87/11 with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 point, really no change. Democrats at the end of January 2017 13/83 favorable/unfavorable, today 11/87. Like Republicans, no change.

Minds are set on both sides of Trump, no changing them. Now the non-affiliated, independents can and will change. They not as attached to Trump in their support or as against him as Democrats are. They can move up and down, Independents are dynamic. Whereas those who identify with the two major parties are static. Partisan politics, partisan support or not.
 
Excon said:
:lamo
iLOL Says you, the one making irrelevant pompous pontifications.
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No - its you who throws out terms like CONSTITUTIONAL SUPREMACY and then fails to explain what you mean, fails to apply it and fails to offer any evidence to show you are correct.
 
haymarket said:
No - its you who throws out terms like CONSTITUTIONAL SUPREMACY and then fails to explain what you mean, fails to apply it and fails to offer any evidence to show you are correct.
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You never learn do you.
Besides being wrong as usual, take to the appropriate thread and not one in which you spammed it into.
 
Excon said:
You never learn do you.
Besides being wrong as usual, take to the appropriate thread and not one in which you spammed it into.
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I gave you an appropriate argument. You just did not like it because it proved you wrong.
 
haymarket said:
I gave you an appropriate argument. You just did not like it because it proved you wrong.
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Besides being wrong as usual, take to the appropriate thread and not one in which you spammed it into.
 
Excon said:
Besides being wrong as usual, take to the appropriate thread and not one in which you spammed it into.
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with every post you make you prove the wisdom of the thread title.

You badly need to reread post 41 which says all that is necessary at this point.
 
haymarket said:
with every post you make you prove the wisdom of the thread title.
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iLOL You thinking a person who is correct proves what was asserted in this thread, is hilariously absurd.

haymarket said:
You badly need to reread post 41 which says all that is necessary at this point.
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Besides being wrong as usual. You badly need to get back on topic and take your bs back to the thread you spammed it from.
 
Excon said:
iLOL You thinking a person who is correct proves what was asserted in this thread, is hilariously absurd.


Besides being wrong as usual. You badly need to get back on topic and take your bs back to the thread you spammed it from.
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With each post you make you underline the wisdom of the OP.
 
haymarket said:
With each post you make you underline the wisdom of the OP.
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iLOL
You thinking a person who is correct proves what was asserted in this thread, is hilariously absurd.

Besides being wrong as usual. You badly need to get back on topic and take your bs back to the thread you spammed it from.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that no matter what, you can not change a Trumpsters mind, even with the truth. The reason being is they don't believe the truth, they believe Trump, no matter how far from the truth his statements. And even those that believe the truth, they give Trump a pass for anything and everything he does. Like the evangelicals giving him a mulligan for all of his cheating on his wives and his harassing of women. Of course he says all of those women are liars and of course true believers believe Trump. So, it is impossible to change the mind of someone who acts like a cultist, so don't argue with them, just tun the other cheek.
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A lot of vague comments, not truth evident, ironically.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that no matter what, you can not change a Trumpsters mind, even with the truth. The reason being is they don't believe the truth, they believe Trump, no matter how far from the truth his statements. And even those that believe the truth, they give Trump a pass for anything and everything he does. Like the evangelicals giving him a mulligan for all of his cheating on his wives and his harassing of women. Of course he says all of those women are liars and of course true believers believe Trump. So, it is impossible to change the mind of someone who acts like a cultist, so don't argue with them, just tun the other cheek.
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Truth is engaging Trumpsters is a waste of time. All one can do is call them out. And, if we're lucky, find a good excuse to punch them in the mouth.
 
Excon said:
iLOL
You thinking a person who is correct proves what was asserted in this thread, is hilariously absurd.

Besides being wrong as usual. You badly need to get back on topic and take your bs back to the thread you spammed it from.
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I love that each of your posts only support the premise of the OP. Its perfection.
 
haymarket said:
I love that each of your posts only support the premise of the OP. Its perfection.
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iLOL
You thinking a person who is correct proves what was asserted in this thread, is hilariously absurd.

Besides being wrong as usual. You badly need to get back on topic and take your bs back to the thread you spammed it from.
 
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