You can choose not to be pregnant without abortion.

[FallingPianos]

So it does have the attributes!

it has potential attributes. it does not have attributes.

 

[jimmyjack]

Sure, a born baby does. It has a brain that functions, two eyes, legs and arms, no fur, lungs, you know, the stuff that make us humans.

A single cell fertilized egg does not.

So all those people without eyes or legs or arms are not people?

 

[jimmyjack]

it has potential attributes. it does not have attributes.

Then it has them.

 

[FallingPianos]

it has potential attributes. it does not have attributes.

Then it has them.

yes, it has potential attributes. why does that matter?

 

[BodiSatva]

Well jimmy...the fastest poster in history...holy cow! How many is that today alone?

This is strange...
"What we do know is peadophilea is a perversion; it is a deviation of the sexual normality that adult humans where designed for, just as bi-sexuality and homosexuality are perverse. A man begins life as a heterosexual, but through lust not necessarily masturbation, he will develop homosexual tendencies, hence the bi-sexual, and it is the bi-sexual that can and often does develop into the homosexual, and the homosexual can develop into a paedophile"

This linkage of "logic" is what I was referring to. The whole thing...but mostly the highlighted part. What does this mean...I can make little sense out of it. "but through lust not necessarily masturbation". A man lusts for for a woman. Might he develop homosexual tendencies? Is he destined to be an eventual pedophile? This is according to you statements, of course. Clarify...

 

[jimmyjack]

yes, it has potential attributes. why does that matter?

Because for a moment I though you where insinuating they didn’t.

 

[FallingPianos]

Because for a moment I though you where insinuating they didn’t.

I dont think anyone on this thread is insinuating that they dont. at the very least, I am not, and niether is Iriemon

The only differenct is that an egg has the potential to grow into a human being and a skin cell does not. Potential is not the same as actualization, in my opinion.

 

[jimmyjack]

Well jimmy...the fastest poster in history...holy cow! How many is that today alone?

quite a lot.

This is strange...
"What we do know is peadophilea is a perversion; it is a deviation of the sexual normality that adult humans where designed for, just as bi-sexuality and homosexuality are perverse. A man begins life as a heterosexual, but through lust not necessarily masturbation, he will develop homosexual tendencies, hence the bi-sexual, and it is the bi-sexual that can and often does develop into the homosexual, and the homosexual can develop into a paedophile"

This linkage of "logic" is what I was referring to. The whole thing...but mostly the highlighted part. What does this mean...I can make little sense out of it. "but through lust not necessarily masturbation". A man lusts for for a woman. Might he develop homosexual tendencies? Is he destined to be an eventual pedophile? This is according to you statements, of course. Clarify...

It is a man’s lust for sex that can change his desire from females to males, he is not necessarily destined for paedophilia as long as he suppresses his lust for sex. A man that reverses his lustfulness will return to heterosexual tendencies.

 

[FallingPianos]

It is a man’s lust for sex that can change his desire from females to males, he is not necessarily destined for paedophilia as long as he suppresses his lust for sex. A man that reverses his lustfulness will return to heterosexual tendencies.

do you have any scientific references that back this?

 

[jimmyjack]

I dont think anyone on this thread is insinuating that they dont. at the very least, I am not, and niether is Iriemon

No, Iriemon claimed an embryo was equal to a sperm by suggesting it only has the potential attributes to be a person, whereas we all know an embryo has the attributes, it is the sperm and the egg that possess the potential attributes.

 

[jimmyjack]

do you have any scientific references that back this?

There are many testimonies of this fact.

 

[BodiSatva]

So jimmy...

If I lust for my woman...just the act of lust might turn me into a pedophile? I lust for her and want to "bang the hell out of her" and "get lost in her embrace and her female attributes" and actually all the time this is a sign that I might be a homosexual? Oh ****!

I can't be reading you correctly here, can I? Lust is just an intense or unrestrained sexual craving with no regards towards sexually preference.

So, I better start suppressing my lust for sex right now? That is what you said...is there a caveat?

 

[FallingPianos]

It is a man’s lust for sex that can change his desire from females to males, he is not necessarily destined for paedophilia as long as he suppresses his lust for sex. A man that reverses his lustfulness will return to heterosexual tendencies.

do you have any scientific references that back this?

There are many testimonies of this fact.

yes, I am not denying that. I've read some of them myself.

but testimonies are not scienfic evidence. They only show that it is true for the people that testified. A statement as general as yours cannot be based off of the testimonies of some people. We've already established that its illogical to do so.

 

[jimmyjack]

So jimmy...

If I lust for my woman...just the act of lust might turn me into a pedophile? I lust for her and want to "bang the hell out of her" and "get lost in her embrace and her female attributes" and actually all the time this is a sign that I might be a homosexual? Oh ****!

I can't be reading you correctly here, can I? Lust is just an intense or unrestrained sexual craving with no regards towards sexually preference.

So, I better start suppressing my lust for sex right now? That is what you said...is there a caveat?

Yes, but you will most likely acquire bi-sexual tendencies first, and probably try to deny your situation. In an attempt to reverse the situation you may engage in deeper lustful behaviour thinking it will cure it. However, this is like throwing petrol on a fire that you wish to extinguish, so the problem gets bigger. If sexual lust remains strong, full homosexual tendencies will follow. After complete homosexual tendencies are exhibited this will most likely be followed by paedophilic tendencies too, and the desire to satisfy these tendencies becomes harder to resist. All these symptoms will take time to acquire, however, chastity can reverse the entire situation and a man will regain his heterosexual tendencies over time.

 

[jimmyjack]

Just by lusting over women you will become homosexual, in fact it even states this in the New Testament, St Paul.


Punishment of Idolators

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.

 

[BodiSatva]

ahhhh...

That follow up post answered my question.

Do you submit to total faith? I do not know that aspect of the bible...in the bible, does it actually states that lust (which is just an intense or unrestrained sexual craving with no regards towards sexually preference) is in fact the total opposite? It is in fact, according to the bible anyway, a gateway feeling that leads to homosexuality and then to desiring children?

So, the English definition for the word is incorrect I guess?

 

[jimmyjack]

ahhhh...

That follow up post answered my question.

Do you submit to total faith? I do not know that aspect of the bible...in the bible, does it actually states that lust (which is just an intense or unrestrained sexual craving with no regards towards sexually preference) is in fact the total opposite? So, the English difinition for the word is incorrect then?

I’m a Roman Catholic.


Bible quote:

Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.



Lust means an intense desire for sex or women.

Such as looking at pornography, masturbating, etc, etc.

To avoid homosexuality, avoid lustfulness.

 

[BodiSatva]

That quote says nothing about Lust being a stepping stone towards homosexuality. It says nothing about lust at all. Nothing.

It does talk about homosexuality though.

 

[jimmyjack]

That quote says nothing about Lust being a stepping stone towards homosexuality. It says nothing about lust at all. Nothing.

It does talk about homosexuality though.

Quote:

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves.

 

[BodiSatva]

Interesting...

But that still does not say that "lust" in and of itself leads to homosexuality...it just says that god "gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity".

This is four or five posts and there still is no concrete connection.

 

[jimmyjack]

Interesting...

But that still does not say that "lust" in and of itself leads to homosexuality...it just says that god "gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity".

This is four or five posts and there still is no concrete connection.

Quote:
Punishment of Idolators

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the [size=+2]lusts[/size] of their hearts to impurity, to the [size=+2]dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,[/size] 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 [size=+2]and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another,[/size][size=+2] men committing shameless acts with men [/size]and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

But you will force your offspring to be subject to one.

No. I would never force a daughter of mine to have one.
If you're referring to the foetus in my womb, that wouldn't be my offspring, and what I do with my body is my business.

 

[tecoyah]

Quote:
Punishment of Idolators

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the [size=+2]lusts[/size] of their hearts to impurity, to the [size=+2]dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,[/size] 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 [size=+2]and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another,[/size][size=+2] men committing shameless acts with men [/size]and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.

So....really...it wasnt Lust that made people Gay....it was God that made them Gay. I mean, he had the chance to stop it, and instead "Gave them up" to these henious, unnatural acts of sexual deprivation. Seems to me you have placed this "God" fellow in a bad light, why blame him for the fact most people actually like sex. The Idea of abstinence is unrealistic, and I think you know it. Its like claiming you dont masturbate, you can say it all you want but reality has to play a role somewhere.
Breaking down your understanding of human sexual tendencies has been rather entertaining, and allows for a bit of insight into your psycological makeup, I must say you seem to have a few issues. While human sexuality is definately a complex issue when viewed in the extreme, it does not need to be when a basic understanding of attraction , and interaction is the discussion.
Attraction is based on well known criteria, Visual, chemical, and emotional among them. It is the combination of these various components that form preference, and lead to what you are calling Lust. Any warm blooded, healthy person who denys this natural phenomenon exists is merely fooling themselves (though likely no one else), and to deny such a natural part of ourselves is futile. Thus abstinence is not a viable option for the vast majority of people on this earth.
Interaction between the sexes is more complex than attraction, but is based on the end result of it. That some may find like sex attractive has no bearing whatsoever on abstinence, as it is but a "Form" of attraction, it is easier, and more honest to simply group all attraction into a single category, rather than attempt to seperate it for this debate. That said, interaction might be considered the end result of attraction.
Humans interact sexually based on many internal descisions, some illogical from a scientific view but this does not make sexual preference in any way "wrong", as the descisions are unique to the individual in question. Again attraction plays a significant role in the choice of partners. Though it is understandable that some may decide not to participate in what is a natural tendency , evolved in the species for its own preservation, it is an abnormality in the context of survival.

 

[vergiss]

You know, this theory about horny men going gay because of oversexed hormones is all well and good, but fails to explain the existence of lesbians. :roll:

 

[tecoyah]

You know, this theory about horny men going gay because of oversexed hormones is all well and good, but fails to explain the existence of lesbians. :roll:

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