You can choose not to be pregnant without abortion.

[jimmyjack]

can you back this up?

Read the many testimonies of those who where once homosexual.

 

[jimmyjack]

Some people believe that life is so precious it warrants early termination of a pregnancy before life begins when a new life will not be wanted.

I feel sorry for those who believe that a life is not a life on the basis of size

 

[FallingPianos]

Read the many testimonies of those who where once homosexual.

again, just because some can, doesnt mean that all can.

 

[Iriemon]

I feel sorry for those who believe that a life is not a life on the basis of size

I feel sorry for those who feel that a cell is a life based on two sets of chromosones.

 

[jimmyjack]

again, just because some can, doesnt mean that all can.

Backup this claim in relation to homosexuals.

 

[jimmyjack]

I feel sorry for those who feel that a cell is a life based on two sets of chromosones.

What is it if it is not life?

At conception a unique DNA is established.

 

[FallingPianos]

Backup this claim in relation to homosexuals.

my claim wasnt in relation to homosexuals specifically. I was asking you to back up the claim that you were making.

what you're saying is that all homosexuals can recover because some homosexuals have recovered.

Well a man who becomes lustful has to supply an endless devotion of perverse activity in order to maintain his desire, just like a drug addict, except the perverse man will achieves his fix by pushing the boundaries of his perversion further and further to maintain his drive. So the man may start of with mildly tittering on perverse activity, just as a drug addict may be introduced to a mild less harmful drug, but the fix that each receives has to grow as the body becomes immune to the mild dosages of lust or in the drug addicts situation; drugs. The pervert becomes immune to mild perverse activity so he has to do things that would otherwise be unacceptable, it is almost like a mental illness in the sense that there has been a distortion in the chemical balance within the mind, induced by the fix received through lust, just as the mind of a drug addict is distorted by the effects of drugs. The state of paedophilia is a gradual process, as is the state of homosexuality and that is why we see bi-sexuality; it is a classic case of an individual making the transition from heterosexuality.

again, can you back that up? can you reference any psychological studies that say that this is true?

There have been many testimonies by individuals who where once homosexual.

your argument could basically be summerised like this:

a= homosexuals. b=having the ability to recover
some A are B
therefore all A are B.

there is an obvious logical fallacy there. I'm asking you to back up your claim that all homosexuals can recover, without resorting to the illogical argument that they all can recover just because some have.

 

[jimmyjack]

my claim wasnt in relation to homosexuals specifically. I was asking you to back up the claim that you were making.

what you're saying is that all homosexuals can recover because some homosexuals have recovered.



your argument could basically be summerised like this:

a= homosexuals. b=having the ability to recover
some A are B
therefore all A are B.

there is an obvious logical fallacy there. I'm asking you to back up your claim that all homosexuals can recover, without resorting to the illogical argument that they all can recover just because some have.

How can there be a logical fallacy?

The only logical fallacy is homosexuality, since it is flawed, biologically, theologically, physiologically, and every other dimension that you care to mention.

 

[Iriemon]

What is it if it is not life?

At conception a unique DNA is established.

An ant is life. I spray 'em when they get into my house.

 

[jimmyjack]

An ant is life. I spray 'em when they get into my house.

A kitten is life, and I would not think twice about roasting one on a fire if that was all I had left to eat.

But, I would not be so quick to do the same with a human; do you not feel the same?

 

[FallingPianos]

How can there be a logical fallacy?

The only logical fallacy is homosexuality, since it is flawed, biologically, theologically, physiologically, and every other dimension that you care to mention.

the logical fallacy was arguing that all homosexuals can recover, because some of them can.

 

[Iriemon]

A kitten is life, and I would not think twice about roasting one on a fire if that was all I had left to eat.

But, I would not be so quick to do the same with a human; do you not feel the same?

I agree; in my opinion a single celled fertilized egg is not a human life.

This issue as been debated here ad naseum; I doubt think we would sow any new ground to reargue it here.

 

[jimmyjack]

the logical fallacy was arguing that all homosexuals can recover, because some of them can.

Then it is just as illogical to claim they cannot recover.

 

[FallingPianos]

Then it is just as illogical to claim they cannot recover.

Its illogical to claim that none of them can recover, yes.

 

[jimmyjack]

I agree; in my opinion a single celled fertilized egg is not a human life.

This issue as been debated here ad naseum; I doubt think we would sow any new ground to reargue it here.

What species is it then?

 

[tecoyah]

Then it is just as illogical to claim they cannot recover.

..Uh.....recover from what exactly. Are you implying there is some Gay disease out there?

 

[FallingPianos]

..Uh.....recover from what exactly. Are you implying there is some Gay disease out there?

that was going to be my next point.

the american psychological association certainly doesnt say that homosexuality is a disease.

 

[Iriemon]

What species is it then?

Is an embryo a species? Human.

 

[jimmyjack]

Its illogical to claim that none of them can recover, yes.

If it is illogical to claim that none of them can recover, it is logical to claim they can all recover.

 

[jimmyjack]

Is an embryo a species? Human.

So you agree a human embryo is human?

That settles that then.

 

[jimmyjack]

..Uh.....recover from what exactly. Are you implying there is some Gay disease out there?

It is a disorder of the mind, but it is not contagious.

 

[nineplus]

If most priests manage never to engage in sexual activity throughout their entire lives, it is not a great task that is requested from you to engage in less sex in order to achieve a smaller family. A family that is honest, caring and that is not bent on sex and killing their offspring in the pursuit of greater sexual activity is surely what will give you the greatest happiness, besides a large family is a beautiful thing.

I agree a large family is a beautiful thing..........but I'd disagree one should have a large family since it's the only way for them to have sex. Are you actually advocating this?

Seriously, do you believe there are couples out there "bent on sex and killing their offspring in the pursuit of greter sexual activity"??? As in, they are going out of their way to create pregnancies so they can have abortions? Hmmmmm........I'm somehow doubting this.

Priests make a spiritual choice you are now imposing on all of society who don't actively wish to have children at this moment. And we aren't talking about engaging in "less sex" as in just miss out here and there, we're talking about the average couple spending MOST of the marriage in the no sex zone. Do you really advocate this?

What about couples who never wish to have children...........would they never, ever have sex according to your plan? How about people who really shouldn't have children, for any variety of reasons?

Does this not strike you as slightly absurd? Is this how you, personally, have chosen to live or is this just something you set out there for everyone else to live by?

I'm not trying to nitpick you to death. I accept your views on the subject, but they strike me as not well thought out........hence my continuation with you. The whole abstinence cry has been sung many times by many people. We've all heard it and have all long since developed our own stand on it. What most abstinence singers miss is that not all abortions take place among single women.

And not all take place among unwanted pregnancies.

 

[jimmyjack]

that was going to be my next point.

the american psychological association certainly doesnt say that homosexuality is a disease.

It use to, in fact I think it still might.

 

[FallingPianos]

If it is illogical to claim that none of them can recover, it is logical to claim they can all recover.

neither stating that all can recover, or none can recover, is logical if you are basing it on the assertion that some have recovered.

some A are B
therefore all A are B.
illogical.

some A are B
therefore no A are B
illogical.

 

[FallingPianos]

It use to, in fact I think it still might.

they removed it from the DSM in the 70s

Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?

No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.

http://www.apa.org/topics/sbehaviorsub1.html