You can’t ban human nature

[aociswundumho]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

 

[phoenix2020]

I like how this MAGA completely forgot about the role conservatives played in Prohibition coming to be.

I guess it didn't quite fit his desired narrative.

 

[Allan]

Today, they want to ban guns

They do?

 

[Allan]

I like how this MAGA completely forgot about the role conservatives played in Prohibition coming to be.

I guess it didn't quite fit his desired narrative.

Weren't all three prohibition era Presidents Republican?

 

[Loulit01]

I like how this MAGA completely forgot about the role conservatives played in Prohibition coming to be.

I guess it didn't quite fit his desired narrative.

This genius idea was spearheaded by groups from the religious right like the Women's Christian Temperance Union. To say it was progressives is revisionist history.

It's happening again with anti-abortion legislation.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

My "favorite part" about this is that apparently it's saying we can't do anything about kids killing themselves with firearms because we can't ban kids from guns. It's in human nature to want to shoot themselves with firearms apparently.

Imagine telling that to a parent. There's nothing you can do to stop your child from using a firearm to kill themselves with. I want you to say those words out loud to the next grieving parent you see. Tell them that they could do nothing at all.

 

[phoenix2020]

Weren't all three prohibition era Presidents Republican?

This genius idea was spearheaded by groups from the religious right like the Women's Christian Temperance Union. To say it was progressives is revisionist history.

It's happening again with anti-abortion legislation.

As I learned it, it was actually a strange combination of bedfellows - progressives wanting to assert a society protecting people from themselves, allied with religious conservatives who thought alcohol was brewed/distilled by Satan himself. One of the few times the extreme left and extreme right came together to ruin things for the rest of us.

 

[tshade]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness.

???????? that was CONSERVATIVES that were anti-alcohol...........................your credibility just dropped off the cliff

Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,”

just more sensible regulations

as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

there are ways around that

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder.

no one is saying that

The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

why not make it harder?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness.

Wrong.
"Progressives " had nothing to do with the implementation of the 18th ammendment.
Where did you get such nonsense?
Religious zealots lead the charge towards a dry America.
The anti-saloon league (asl), a group of Protestant evangelical old women were the main lobbyists.
As well as the Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU).
Not a "progressive" amount them.
Just a gaggle of old religious zealots trying to legislate what they believed to be God's wishes.

Sorry to rain on your feeble attempt at progressive bashing.

 

[j brown's body]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

I was thinking about this with regard to Trump's effort to deport 10 undocumented immigrants.

It's human nature for people to develop persojal relationships with their family members, friends, neighbors and co-workers. And now the government expects the nation to turn on them because "it's the law."

As you elude, human nature trumps the law.

No wonder people are upset when they see ICE.

 

[Grand Mal]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness.

Progressives? Really.
Radical-right Christians were progressives?

Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

You're just making shit up.

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

Good arguement for legalizing illegal drugs.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

 

[j brown's body]

Wrong.
"Progressives " had nothing to do with the implementation of the 18th ammendment.
Where did you get such nonsense?
Religious zealots lead the charge towards a dry America.
The anti-saloon league (asl), a group of Protestant evangelical old women were the main lobbyists.
As well as the Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU).
Not a "progressive" amount them.
Just a gaggle of old religious zealots trying to legislate what they believed to be God's wishes.

Sorry to rain on your feeble attempt at progressive bashing.

I'm afraid he is right. Progressives did support Prohibition, along with Christians and women's groups.

What he doesn't say is that many progressives at the time were Republicans. They came over to the Democratic Party later, with FDR, who ended Prohibition, and the New Deal.

 

[aociswundumho]

It's human nature for people to develop persojal relationships with their family members, friends, neighbors and co-workers. And now the government expects the nation to turn on them because "it's the law."

I agree, good analogy.

 

[Mr Person]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history. Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground.

And let’s not pretend that banning one specific weapon means a murderer suddenly decides not to murder. The intent stays, while the method shifts to whatever it takes to fulfill the intent.

Shit, I guess we shouldn't have laws.

 

[phoenix2020]

I'm afraid he is right. Progressives did support Prohibition, along with Christians and women's groups.

What he doesn't say is that many progressives at the time were Republicans. They came over to the Democratic Party later, with FDR, who ended Prohibition, and the New Deal.

So, technically speaking, it was Republicans who came together with Conservatives to enact Prohibition?

 

[SkyChief]

Over 100 years ago, progressives convinced the country that banning alcohol would solve the problem of drunkenness. Needless to say, it became one of the biggest policy failures in U.S. history.

Thankfully, Amendment XVIII (prohibition) was repealed.

Today, they want to ban guns - just like they once banned alcohol. Does anybody really think the results would be any different?

Prohibition didn’t stop drinking. It created black markets, built up organized crime, and turned millions of ordinary Americans into criminals. Now, with guns, they think a ban will stop violence - or “gun violence,” as they put it. But just like booze, the demand won’t vanish, it’ll just go underground. . .

Exactly. Americans understand that we have a natural right to keep and bear arms - just as Americans knew in 1933 that Americans knew that they had a natural right to drink.

If gun-grabbers want to take our guns, they must first repeal Amendment II.

Then they need to take them.

 

[j brown's body]

So, technically speaking, it was Republicans who came together with Conservatives to enact Prohibition?

Generally, progressives tended to be Republican who wanted to clean up the corruption of big city political machines that were controlled by Democrats.

The foot soldiers in these political machines were immigrants. At this time the KKK was re-emerging and they opposed immigration.

So the KKK tended to support the GOP!

Crazy world, isn't it?

 

[RF667799]

My "favorite part" about this is that apparently it's saying we can't do anything about kids killing themselves with firearms because we can't ban kids from guns. It's in human nature to want to shoot themselves with firearms apparently.

Imagine telling that to a parent. There's nothing you can do to stop your child from using a firearm to kill themselves with. I want you to say those words out loud to the next grieving parent you see. Tell them that they could do nothing at all.

Why do you press people to do things you hope will be hurtful to grieving parents?

 

[Cosmo]

My "favorite part" about this is that apparently it's saying we can't do anything about kids killing themselves with firearms because we can't ban kids from guns. It's in human nature to want to shoot themselves with firearms apparently.

Imagine telling that to a parent. There's nothing you can do to stop your child from using a firearm to kill themselves with. I want you to say those words out loud to the next grieving parent you see. Tell them that they could do nothing at all.

Because child self-harm is only a thing because of guns.

 

[Grand Mal]

Because child self-harm is only a thing because of guns.

Because dumbasses with guns don't just kill and injure, they allow children access to kill and injure.
But that's their right.

 

[RF667799]

Because dumbasses with guns don't just kill and injure, they allow children access to kill and injure.
But that's their right.

No it isn't.

 

[Cosmo]

Because dumbasses with guns don't just kill and injure, they allow children access to kill and injure.
But that's their right.

That's a parenting problem. How about a license to bear kids if you're so concerned?

 

[Grand Mal]

No it isn't.

Sure it is. When the kid in the child seat in the grocery cart picks a gun out of the mother's purse, it's the mother's right.

 

[Grand Mal]

That's a parenting problem. How about a license to bear kids if you're so concerned?

Dumbasses with guns will bring regulations down on you more surely than school shooters or mass killers.

 

[rahl]

Sure it is. When the kid in the child seat in the grocery cart picks a gun out of the mother's purse, it's the mother's right.

No it isn’t