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You Are Being Manipulated By Bad-Faith Pollsters

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Great read. Also some of the source links the writer uses are good reads as well if you like a deeper dive. A few paragraphs I clipped in below but reading the whole thing is eye-opening.

It only struck me last week how badly the polling informational space has been intentionally and systematically poisoned by bad actors who want to depress Democratic turnout, create a reality in which it’s OK to vote for the end of representative democracy, and convince Trump’s hardcore following that he cannot lose this election; it can only be stolen from him. I have consumed unknown hundreds of poll results – both standalone and aggregate – that mean to distort my view of the Harris-Trump matchup, which, as I’ve argued with Patrick Daugherty, might not be all that close if you don’t get bogged down in the reams of data pouring into your addled brain.​
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This is hardly new. In the run-up to the 2022 midterm elections, we saw Senate races that had not been all that close suddenly tighten in the final week before Election Day. John Fetterman, a former Bad Faith Times favorite, suddenly and without explanation found himself one point down in aggregated polling after leading by 4-6 points over the election’s final month. So what happened?​
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A flood of last-minute right-wing polls happened. These polls, considered neutral and trustworthy by the Polling Industrial Complex, painted Fetterman as a slight underdog with no significant change in the contours of his race against a surgically-altered fake TV doctor. These unreliable polls goosed the election betting markets in Dr. Oz's favor and made Fetterman's campaign look like something of a lost cause, the same way Elon Musk's appearance alongside Trump at a Pennsylvania rally (Elon recently discovered the "state of Pennsylvania") has designed to boost Trump in the betting market. The effort was successful, and may have been part of an elaborate "pump and dump scheme" to alter discourse around the general election.​
 
poweRob said:
Great read. Also some of the source links the writer uses are good reads as well if you like a deeper dive. A few paragraphs I clipped in below but reading the whole thing is eye-opening.

It only struck me last week how badly the polling informational space has been intentionally and systematically poisoned by bad actors who want to depress Democratic turnout, create a reality in which it’s OK to vote for the end of representative democracy, and convince Trump’s hardcore following that he cannot lose this election; it can only be stolen from him. I have consumed unknown hundreds of poll results – both standalone and aggregate – that mean to distort my view of the Harris-Trump matchup, which, as I’ve argued with Patrick Daugherty, might not be all that close if you don’t get bogged down in the reams of data pouring into your addled brain.​
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This is hardly new. In the run-up to the 2022 midterm elections, we saw Senate races that had not been all that close suddenly tighten in the final week before Election Day. John Fetterman, a former Bad Faith Times favorite, suddenly and without explanation found himself one point down in aggregated polling after leading by 4-6 points over the election’s final month. So what happened?​
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A flood of last-minute right-wing polls happened. These polls, considered neutral and trustworthy by the Polling Industrial Complex, painted Fetterman as a slight underdog with no significant change in the contours of his race against a surgically-altered fake TV doctor. These unreliable polls goosed the election betting markets in Dr. Oz's favor and made Fetterman's campaign look like something of a lost cause, the same way Elon Musk's appearance alongside Trump at a Pennsylvania rally (Elon recently discovered the "state of Pennsylvania") has designed to boost Trump in the betting market. The effort was successful, and may have been part of an elaborate "pump and dump scheme" to alter discourse around the general election.​
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As usual, the mainstream media continues to play its supremely profitable role in selling the American public a close race. For at least the fifth or sixth consecutive time, this year's national elections will cost even more money than the last, and with no end in sight under our current system. It appears to be on the verge of growing almost exponentially now, with a logical projection of 2028 costing Americans $20 billion or more.

Our political system is ****ed up, and won't be set right until we take the money out of our politics.
 
Winston said:
I think Harris will win, but Trump support is very real. In MI, there are about 5 Trump signs to 1 Harris sign where I live
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This is true everywhere but does not reflect the vote.

Trump cultists have always felt a need to fly their colors. This is true of all cults or gangs.

It is part of their emotional need.
 
Winston said:
I think Harris will win, but Trump support is very real. In MI, there are about 5 Trump signs to 1 Harris sign where I live
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Around here, I've only seen one Kennedy sign, and one Harris sign. Zero Trump signs. And there used to be a small crowd in front of King Soopers out by the street supporting Trump. Not this time.
 
I only recently became aware of this kind of polling. An interesting PR stunt, but does it really discourage opposition voters and make them stay home? Could it backfire and make voters for the intended beneficiary complacent enough to sit it out instead?
 
I'm sticking with: much of the mainstream media is playing up the "hair's edge close" or even "DonOld has the lead" in order to motivate the left into turning out in record numbers. Making sure we dont get complacent and stay home and have a repeat of 2016.

☮️ 🇺🇸 ☮️
 
Winston said:
I think Harris will win, but Trump support is very real. In MI, there are about 5 Trump signs to 1 Harris sign where I live
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That's just to keep their houses from being stoned. The real ratio is probably only 2 to 1.
 
Well I vote in every election, and I tend to vote 3rd party; so I'm going to say "no".
 
Bad faith posters.
Phony mailers
Bribery.
Misinformation

I've never seen such a high level corruption before.
 
uptower said:
I laugh every time I hear Trumpers call themselves a silent majority. They literally scream his name from the rooftops.
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I think you may just be surprised very soon. Not all Trump supporters feel the need to “scream his name for the rooftop”. But of course, you can keep the faith that your assumption is factual.
 
poweRob said:
Great read. Also some of the source links the writer uses are good reads as well if you like a deeper dive. A few paragraphs I clipped in below but reading the whole thing is eye-opening.

It only struck me last week how badly the polling informational space has been intentionally and systematically poisoned by bad actors who want to depress Democratic turnout, create a reality in which it’s OK to vote for the end of representative democracy, and convince Trump’s hardcore following that he cannot lose this election; it can only be stolen from him. I have consumed unknown hundreds of poll results – both standalone and aggregate – that mean to distort my view of the Harris-Trump matchup, which, as I’ve argued with Patrick Daugherty, might not be all that close if you don’t get bogged down in the reams of data pouring into your addled brain.​
​
This is hardly new. In the run-up to the 2022 midterm elections, we saw Senate races that had not been all that close suddenly tighten in the final week before Election Day. John Fetterman, a former Bad Faith Times favorite, suddenly and without explanation found himself one point down in aggregated polling after leading by 4-6 points over the election’s final month. So what happened?​
​
A flood of last-minute right-wing polls happened. These polls, considered neutral and trustworthy by the Polling Industrial Complex, painted Fetterman as a slight underdog with no significant change in the contours of his race against a surgically-altered fake TV doctor. These unreliable polls goosed the election betting markets in Dr. Oz's favor and made Fetterman's campaign look like something of a lost cause, the same way Elon Musk's appearance alongside Trump at a Pennsylvania rally (Elon recently discovered the "state of Pennsylvania") has designed to boost Trump in the betting market. The effort was successful, and may have been part of an elaborate "pump and dump scheme" to alter discourse around the general election.​
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To be clear, this isn't a poll in a poll based board.

As to your premise, it surprises me not at all that you don't think Dems do the same thing.
 
GIJane said:
so..........you're saying Dems DON'T do this?
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If Dems did it once per every 1000 times repubs did it, your whole schtick is blown up. Guess what? Your whole schtick is blown up.

Dems don't need to lie to people about winning in honest pollings.
 
Why is it when Repubs do what Dems have done for years, does it suddenly become “bad faith?”
 
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poweRob said:
If Dems did it once per every 1000 times repubs did it, your whole schtick is blown up. Guess what? Your whole schtick is blown up.

Dems don't need to lie to people about winning in honest pollings.
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If you think this you're either ignorant or naive.
 
GIJane said:
If you think this you're either ignorant or naive.
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lol... Someone turned personal in lieu of having any actual content. When one actually reads, one becomes far less ignorant and naive. When you are winning, you don't need to buy polls en masse to trick the public.

“[Republicans'] campaign to game the polling averages and make it appear like Trump is winning—when he isn't—escalated in [the] last few days," Rosenberg said last week, adding that "red wave" pollsters from 2022 have once again "flooded the zone" with shitty polling data. It's a matter of public record, after all, that Trump and his cronies pay pollsters for favorable polls that are then dumped all over the internet and quickly become reality.​
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Rosenberg over the past month has identified 25 polling organizations involved in crafting a 2024 red wave in the voting public's consciousness. These organizations blasted out a whopping 25 presidential polls last week alone, which were then shared widely in Elon Musk's fascist fiefdom and made into reality for millions of Americans who both love and loathe Trump. Twelve of 15 Pennsylvania polls were generated by right-wing polling organizations last week. Hence, we have huge swaths of the population sure that Trump will glide to victory in the Keystone State.​
 
Winston said:
I think Harris will win, but Trump support is very real. In MI, there are about 5 Trump signs to 1 Harris sign where I live
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I have yet to see a single Harris sign in my corner of NJ.

And she will win this state by large margins.

People don’t feel the need to go out and buy signs 🤷‍♀️

They’ll just to and vote.
 
BirdinHand said:
I have yet to see a single Harris sign in my corner of NJ.

And she will win this state by large margins.

People don’t feel the need to go out and buy signs 🤷‍♀️

They’ll just to and vote.
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They do indeed vote. And from what my local news is saying some areas are experiencing record numbers. I haven’t voted yet but plan to do so tomorrow and from those I know who have voted, the lines are very, very long. Most mentioned they had never seen lines so long in previous elections. I believe that is good thing regardless of the outcome. Good to see American’s showing up to vote.
 
remember

2 weeks before election and Hillary has a double digit lead .... which of course was a huge lie




www.cnn.com

New poll shows Clinton over Trump by double-digits

Hillary Clinton has a 12-point lead over Donald Trump and has reached 50% support nationally among likely voters, a new ABC News tracking poll shows.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

New poll shows Clinton over Trump by double-digits​


By Eric Bradner, CNN
1 minute read
Updated 4:43 PM EDT, Sun October 23, 2016
 
stealthycat said:
remember

2 weeks before election and Hillary has a double digit lead .... which of course was a huge lie




www.cnn.com

New poll shows Clinton over Trump by double-digits

Hillary Clinton has a 12-point lead over Donald Trump and has reached 50% support nationally among likely voters, a new ABC News tracking poll shows.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

New poll shows Clinton over Trump by double-digits​


By Eric Bradner, CNN
1 minute read
Updated 4:43 PM EDT, Sun October 23, 2016
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I think polls can be helpful, but they often can be misleading. It could be as simple as the way a question is asked, the wording of the question..etc. It will be interesting to see how the accuracy of this years “polls” actually plays out in the end.
 
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