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Yet ANOTHER good-hearted British aid worker butchered by those they want to help!

Grant said:
Lord Tammerlain

While the Shah was in power Iran was far more peaceful and edging toward first world. Following his overthrow Iran and Iraq had a war that killed millions and the religious crazies took over, which of course has led to further international problems and the possibility of a nuclear war. Iran, and the people of Iran, would be far better off is the Shah had managed to stay in power.


It is Muslims killing Muslims which is the problem and the coalition countries, led by the United States, have to keep these religious fanatics contained.

Think of Muslim and think of third world poverty amid oil-rich royalty, terrorism, the indiscriminate killing of women and children, censorship and ignorance.

The danger to the world today is not the United States, it is radical Islam.
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Iraq invaded Iran, not the other way around
 
PeteEU said:
If true, and I say IF.. then it pretty much proves the idea (being said on many British news channels) going around that the troops sent in did not have the required training. Since when do you throw fragmentation grenades around in a hostage situation? Might as well just level the freaking place then and kill the hostages.
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I don't think we should be looking to the level of training, of the troops involved. American Navy seals are some of the best trained in the world and were familiar with the area, hence their use was sanctioned

Beach-based SEAL's grenade may have killed British hostage | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

"The classified outfit is rarely identified by name, but according to The Guardian, the SEALs were familiar with the terrain and the enemy, and had been operating in Kunar for months"

Paul
 
Sad news indeed.
One must remember that there always exists the chance in every attempt to rescue hostages that the hostages would be killed, whether by the kidnappers or by friendly fire during the operation itself.
Therefore whenever a hostage dies while in captivity; whether by execution or by friendly fire, it is widely regarded to as the direct fault of the kidnappers themselves.

Unfortunately that would not change the feelings of guilt that will be carried by the friendly firing soldier.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Iraq invaded Iran, not the other way around
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Either way. It still supports the challenge the world faces of Muslim violence. Certainly Saddam Hussein was no better or worse than the Ayatollah Khomeini. They were both equally evil, yet both had their similarly mad supporters.
 
..it is widely regarded to as the direct fault of the kidnappers themselves.
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Of course it is. The kidnappers illegally put the victims in danger in the first place.

They should have known better than to go to these places, but it's no excuse for the vermin who led them to lose their lives.
 
Grant said:
Either way. It still supports the challenge the world faces of Muslim violence. Certainly Saddam Hussein was no better or worse than the Ayatollah Khomeini. They were both equally evil, yet both had their similarly mad supporters.
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Lets look at the number of countries the US invaded, or the vast number of people killed by christians in south central america in the 1970-1980's is that a challenge the world faced due to christian violence?
 
Which Christians were they then?

I've certainly not heard of any Christian holy wars taking place in Latin America. In any case, this sounds suspiciously like Muslim propaganda being parroted. 'Look at the Christian pigs of the USA/Israel, they're the real fundamentalist criminals'. (And throw in talk of 'Zionists' and you've got the whole package.)
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
Which Christians were they then?

I've certainly not heard of any Christian holy wars taking place in Latin America. In any case, this sounds suspiciously like Muslim propaganda being parroted. 'Look at the Christian pigs of the USA/Israel, they're the real fundamentalist criminals'. (And throw in talk of 'Zionists' and you've got the whole package.)
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You never heard of the death squads in latin america, the war in el salvador, Honduras, the vast number of people dissappeared in Brazil, Argentina, Chile all done by christians?
 
Outline the direct link between Christianity and the bits and pieces in Latin America.

Containment of communism and suchlike were the reasons for sundry US activity, rather than a base motive of 'Jesus and the Bible says so'.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
Outline the direct link between Christianity and the bits and pieces in Latin America.

Containment of communism and suchlike were the reasons for sundry US activity, rather than a base motive of 'Jesus and the Bible says so'.
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Latin America very christian specifically catholic region, the various bad things were being done by christians ie catholics


Ie christians were a bunch of bloodthirsty cruel rapists torturers in Latin america
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You never heard of the death squads in latin america, the war in el salvador, Honduras, the vast number of people dissappeared in Brazil, Argentina, Chile all done by christians?
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How do you know any of these groups are or were Christians? Did they identify themselves as such?

If you look at the history of some of these countries you'll probably find it was the Communists (aka the Left) who were creating all the problems. Since we're rid of the Communists, the problems have pretty much been resolved.
 
Grant said:
How do you know any of these groups are or were Christians? Did they identify themselves as such?

If you look at the history of some of these countries you'll probably find it was the Communists (aka the Left) who were creating all the problems. Since we're rid of the Communists, the problems have pretty much been resolved.
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You mean the governments that often had tight relationships with the catholic church were actually godless heathens, only pretending to be good catholic boys while they murdered and killed people, the devils

You mean the fascist government that funded and operated death squads were not doing any killing of union leaders, political activists, that the vast number of argentinians who were dissappeared were communist rebels (despite Argentina not have an armed rebellion) and the same in Brazil, the same in Chile, the only South American states to have actually serious armed rebellions have been Peru and Columbia, but the death squads operated in most
 
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You still haven't answered the question.

Which political leaders, of either side, stated their mission was a Divine one to spread Christianity by force?
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
You still haven't answered the question.

Which political leaders, of either side, stated their mission was a Divine one to spread Christianity by force?
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Doesnt matter they were christian allied with the catholic church doing such action generally with the support of the local catholic church
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Lets look at the number of countries the US invaded, or the vast number of people killed by christians in south central america in the 1970-1980's is that a challenge the world faced due to christian violence?
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You want to "look there" only because you have the site bookmarked, but I've been down this road with this loopy list before. Let's stick to the subject at hand.

Again I'll ask the question as to whether any of these groups you alluded to identified themselves with Christianity? Did they? Were they ever referred to as "Christian terrorists" or did anyone ever refer to themselves in this way?

The answer is no.

Instead of flailing about in a useless attempt to support a useless point that doesn't exist, why not just arrive at the truth, and that truth is that the international community, everywhere, has a problem with Islamic terrorism and its expansion.

Not only is it worthless to use the "Christians did it too" argument, you can't even offer any factual support. And of course we should be more concerned about what's happening today rather than generations and/or centuries ago.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Latin America very christian specifically catholic region, the various bad things were being done by christians ie catholics


Ie christians were a bunch of bloodthirsty cruel rapists torturers in Latin america
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I'm in Latin America now and not all the people here are Catholic, just as not all British are Churchgoers.

And do you feel that this was a religious war happening in Latin America. Are you aware at all of the Communist involvement during the periods you mentioned?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Doesnt matter they were christian allied with the catholic church doing such action generally with the support of the local catholic church
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Let's see some widespread evince of this! Name some names!

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.

You just want to draw some heat away from thr Muslim fanatics with this "they all do it" canard. It is a lie and you knew it the moment you posted it.
 
Get specific! Names some "Christian Death Squads" who identified themselves as Christian and we can take a look at it.
 
It's the same with a great many leftists, supposedly moderate. As well as wanting to draw attention from, minimalise or rationalise, Islamic terror and Communist brutaility they like to try and paint the other side as the barbarians.
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
It's the same with a great many leftists, supposedly moderate. As well as wanting to draw attention from, minimalise or rationalise, Islamic terror and Communist brutaility they like to try and paint the other side as the barbarians.
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They never learned anything from post WWII Europe and nothing apparently from the Cold War.

And how they can pass off these wild accusations as having some validity is a testament to those who prefer belief over knowledge, propaganda over fact.
 
Most people on the Right have no trouble facing up to Nazism, fascism, Communism and Islamism and slamming them all as creeds of supremacism and murder. So it's of no little concern that leftists can't unite and condemn all these forces themselves.

Instead, they either cherry-pick the evils they lambaste or they load their criticisms with so many provisos (to take account of their own sympathies) that it's all meaningless. "Oooh, it's not proper Communism", is a whine often heard. As is "well you don't expect that particular hadith to be relevant in this day and age".
 
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Lord Tammerlain

You mean the governments that often had tight relationships with the catholic church were actually godless heathens, only pretending to be good catholic boys while they murdered and killed people, the devils
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Had I meant that I would have said that.

You mean the fascist government that funded and operated death squads were not doing any killing of union leaders, political activists, that the vast number of argentinians who were dissappeared were communist rebels (despite Argentina not have an armed rebellion) and the same in Brazil, the same in Chile, the only South American states to have actually serious armed rebellions have been Peru and Columbia, but the death squads operated in most
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See above.
 
Dude... Your own freaking head of operation in Afghanistan phoned the British PM to say that it looked like the woman was killed by accident by US special forces. This in no way speculation unless you think Patreaus is a liar ...

And it is not my fault that you and RoP dont follow basic news coverage... or maybe it is just because the new sources you and RoP use did not find it "news worthy" in their propaganda war.. what do I know.. fact is, there is an investigation and it looks more and more like a **** up by US special forces and not an execution by the hostage takers.
 
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