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WWII historians: how long could the US have delayed war with Japan, if it wanted?

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The US created pressure on Japan, preventing their getting oil, refusing to have diplomacy - if the US had done nothing to prevent Japan getting oil, engaged them interested in avoiding war, how long could war have been delayed, in your opinion?
 
The US created pressure on Japan, preventing their getting oil, refusing to have diplomacy - if the US had done nothing to prevent Japan getting oil, engaged them interested in avoiding war, how long could war have been delayed, in your opinion?
Why would the US want to put off a ticket to the dance?
 
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The US created pressure on Japan, preventing their getting oil, refusing to have diplomacy - if the US had done nothing to prevent Japan getting oil, engaged them interested in avoiding war, how long could war have been delayed, in your opinion?
Would not have mattered either way. If the pacific war had been delayed by more months or years, and Japan had been able to consolidate more territory, all that would have meant was that by the time we finally got around to developing our nukes after defeating Germany, we would have had more that two of nukes, and instead of fire bombing Japan and Tokyo with incendiary bombs, we would have rained down nukes on them.

There was going to be a reckoning for those bastards, they were just too damn short sighted to even imagine what was coming. They were evil scum and God was watching.
 
The US created pressure on Japan, preventing their getting oil, refusing to have diplomacy - if the US had done nothing to prevent Japan getting oil, engaged them interested in avoiding war, how long could war have been delayed, in your opinion?
After Pearl Harbor, there is no way to avoid war with Japan and the other Axis Countries.
 
The point was to not have Pearl Harbor.
Let me try to understand your logic. Are you saying had the USA not put an embargo on oil and steel to the Imperial Japanese, that that type of appeasement would have likely meant they would not have ever decided to attack the USA? Is that your point?

Even if they had not attacked Pearl Harbor to take out our navy, they still were going to attack our bases in the Philippines, and also all of the British, French, Dutch and other bases throughout the region, including the European ports in China. The Imperial Japanese were on a quest to preserve Asia for Asians as they said, so allowing them to get stronger by appeasement was not going to change the final outcome, unless as the Japanese wrongly believed, that the USA and then Britain too, would just cave and allow for Japan to keep going.

Japan's miscalculation was based on the assumption that the Western powers, including the USA (albeit neutral at the time, but only in name), would not have the power or will after or during the fighting in Europe, to come after the Japanese. And when we finally decided to, that Japan would be too strong, and then able to force us into a negotiated settlement, leaving Japan as the ruling power in much of Asia.

Total miscalculation. The Imperial Japanese leaders were drunk on their own initial successes. They had a very poor understanding of the pent up power and ability of the post depression industrial might of the United States. I mean God man, just look at how in a couple of years we turned the United States into one giant military factory, pumping out thousands of ships, aircraft, and munitions. Something no other nation at time had any matching ability to do. Not Britain, not France, not Germany, or Russia, and even not the very crafty and industrious Japanese. They were wildly outmatched, and they didn't even realize it as they looked across the Pacific at America quietly just lumbering along at that period during the depression.
 
The US created pressure on Japan, preventing their getting oil, refusing to have diplomacy - if the US had done nothing to prevent Japan getting oil, engaged them interested in avoiding war, how long could war have been delayed, in your opinion?

You seem to avoid any mention of why “the US created pressure on Japan”.
 
The US created pressure on Japan, preventing their getting oil, refusing to have diplomacy - if the US had done nothing to prevent Japan getting oil, engaged them interested in avoiding war, how long could war have been delayed, in your opinion?

Japan was literally engaging in a genocidal rampage across Asia by 1941. The US was under no obligation to continue to fuel their war machine. The US certainly did engage the Japanese in diplomacy. The issue was that the Japanese saw the US as decadent and weak, and were totally unwilling to cease their attacks on their neighbors.

Your post is the equivalent of trying to blame the Western Allies for refusing to allow the Nazis to simply conquer Poland.
 
As long as Japan was following aggressive war in China and Indochina, never.
 
The US created pressure on Japan, preventing their getting oil, refusing to have diplomacy - if the US had done nothing to prevent Japan getting oil, engaged them interested in avoiding war, how long could war have been delayed, in your opinion?

It's an odd question. The US wouldn't have had a war with Japan as long as the US freely supplied oil, refused to assist victims of Japanese aggression, and gave a general green light for Japan to take what it wished.

As that was not going to happen, particularly if and when British and Australian interests were threatened, war was almost inevitable.
 
As long as Japan was following aggressive war in China and Indochina, never.
Your post isn't clear. You're saying the US could have never had war with Japan?
 
Your post isn't clear. You're saying the US could have never had war with Japan?

He’s saying that as long as Japan was engaging in its wars of aggression in China and Indochina war with the US was inevitable.
 
The point being had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbour and instead focused on taking Malaysia which does have oil, how long would the US stayed out of the war.

Would the US political situation allowed for going to war with Japan, when it did not allow for going to war with Germany over its invasions and attacks on France, on the UK actual territory rather than colonies.

I doubt the US would have been able to declare war without an attack on US territory or forces. That means. Malaysia would fall, Indonesia would fall etc. Japan in doing so would have been over extended as a significant number of its ground forces were in China
 
Your post isn't clear. You're saying the US could have never had war with Japan?
My comment is clear, quite clear. War was inevitable if Japan did not give up those wars.
 
My comment is clear, quite clear. War was inevitable if Japan did not give up those wars.
It wasn't, but that's clearer. Why? In what time frame? With those wars going on, why would the US have felt the need to declare war, or Japan to declare war on the US for years t come?
 
The point being had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbour and instead focused on taking Malaysia which does have oil, how long would the US stayed out of the war.

Would the US political situation allowed for going to war with Japan, when it did not allow for going to war with Germany over its invasions and attacks on France, on the UK actual territory rather than colonies.

I doubt the US would have been able to declare war without an attack on US territory or forces. That means. Malaysia would fall, Indonesia would fall etc. Japan in doing so would have been over extended as a significant number of its ground forces were in China

Yup. The Republicans had pledged in 1940 not to enter the war at all, and FDR pledged not to unless we were attacked. It seems likely the US could have avoided the war a long time. Whether that would be a good thing is another debate. If the US public had its way, we would have stayed out a lot longer, with possibly quite a high cost, e.g., would England have fallen?
 
It wasn't, but that's clearer. Why? In what time frame? With those wars going on, why would the US have felt the need to declare war, or Japan to declare war on the US for years t come?
Your power of understanding was impaired, as this page's posts prove.
 
Your power of understanding was impaired, as this page's posts prove.

You saying clueless and obnoxious things is not impaired, and is why you will not be read.
 
My comment is clear, quite clear. War was inevitable if Japan did not give up those wars.


The US was not eager to join the war in Europe, I expect most Americans would be less willing to join a war in Asia.

So had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbour or other US territory in Asia I am not sure what would have driven the US to declare war on Japan. Certainly humanitarian issues would not have been a reason.
 
We were already unofficially involved in the war effort through lend-lease as early as 1939. After conquering France, support for entering the war grew. Even without pearl harbor i think we would have had enough support at the very least for a volunteer force.
 
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You saying clueless and obnoxious things is not impaired, and is why you will not be read.
I am read, and your inability (refusal?) to comprehend my clear points rests with you.
 
We were already unofficially involved in the war effort through lend-lease as early as 1939. After conquering France, support for entering the war grew. Even without pearl harbor i think we would have had enough support at the very least for a volunteer force.
I do not think so, or at least not until Hitler invaded Russia.
 
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