Send the n(bleep!)s back to Africa? Is that really what you're suggesting?Well, that pretty much wraps it up. 80% of the people responding think we would have been better off without slavery. I can agreed with that. Remove the crime and other problems rampant in the communities of the slave ancestors and things don't look so bad here. Maybe we could fire up a reparations program that will provide one way tickets back to wherever they came from. Assuming of course they know where that is. 200 years is plenty of time to become part of a society, if they can't or won't, send them on their way.
Send the n(bleep!)s back to Africa? Is that really what you're suggesting?
I'm saying pay their way if they want to go. Lincoln's plan was to send them all back whether they wanted to go or not, and he is applauded as a hero to them.
In general we would all be better off I think. So what's the point,it's history.
Interesting thought. Consider that slaves had never been brought here. Considering that they were captured and sold by other tribal Africans, they likely would have been sold to somebody else, or just killed. But either way if they had not been brought here, there would be no descendants of slaves here either, probably no Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, maybe not even a Barack Obama. So would we have been better off?
If we did not have slavery in this country then Will Smith would have never been born anywhere. His parents and everyone dating back to the first of his family who were the children of the first people brought here on slave ships would have never been born. I do not think anyone voting YES realizes that every single individual whose ancestors were slaves in this country would have never been born anywhere in this world due to the fact it was because of slavery that their ancestors met in the first place.
And questions on such hypotheticals are an exercise in futility. If, somewhere in history, a different sperm won the race then maybe we'd have hoverboards or a cure for cancer. Maybe polio would never have been eradicated. Or maybe Star Wars would never have existed. History is chaos theory. A long sequence of butterfly effects with nigh unpredictable outcomes. Even the smallest variance could have made life better or worse for all of us, nevermind something as huge as slavery not existing.
And who's to say you'd have necessarily been born? Without slavery your family might have died out.
I'm thinking you wouldn't get a lot of takers.
I am sure it matters to everyone in this country who is descended from someone brought here as a slave.Because if their ancestors were not brought here as slaves then they would have never been born.Why does it matter if certain people were born.
If your parents never met then you would have never been born.If your grandparents never met then your parents would have never been born and so on.Two people get together and have a baby. It doesn't matter who that baby is. Somebody would have been born somewhere in the world in place of the person that was born in the US.
Neither do I. For all the complaining, the government checks seem to be enough to make up for it.
And maybe, just maybe even the descendants of slaves enjoy being free and having opportunity. Moreover, most of them have never been to Africa and have no idea what part of that large continent their ancestors came from.
Most welfare recipients are not the descendants of slaves, BTW.
Change any major event in history, such as the slave trade, the Civil War, or WWII and most of us posting on this board would not exist.
The existence of slavery in the United States was immoral, and the country would be better off if slavery had not been practiced here just because of that. Slavery brought with it many societal ills however, such as the racism that continued to exist after abolition. The Civil War would probably not have happened, and the North-South cultural divide probably would be far less emphasized.
Well, no, unfortunately it's not the end of the story at all. That's part of why slavery was so horrible: its repercussions are felt to this day.
Nothing personal, and it's hardly just you in this thread who's engaged in this, but this kind of pedantic thinking is frustrating in that it blocks all dialogue on whether we, as a nation (or hell, even as a global community), would be better off had some atrocity not taken place. So would I have existed had the Holocaust not happened? I would go so far as to guarantee that I would not. Should the Holocaust have happened? Absolutely ****ing not. I refuse to participate in first person exceptionalism by endorsing the Holocaust simply by virtue of that fact that it led to my existence.
And I believe that regardless of who would or would not have been born as a result of taking your DeLorean to the colonization of the Americas and stopping slavery dead in its tracks, the country as a whole would be objectively better off. The racial and cultural division in this country can be traced back to slavery, and it has paralyzed us and prevented us from moving forward in numerous ways.
Whether or not an event in history should have happened and whether or not we would be better off if that event never happened are two separate things. Everyone can agree that certain events in history should have never happened. But whether or not we as a whole would be better off had those events in history never happened is a completely different story. Because those negative events in history have shaped the world in general.Nothing personal, and it's hardly just you in this thread who's engaged in this, but this kind of pedantic thinking is frustrating in that it blocks all dialogue on whether we, as a nation (or hell, even as a global community), would be better off had some atrocity not taken place. So would I have existed had the Holocaust not happened? I would go so far as to guarantee that I would not. Should the Holocaust have happened? Absolutely ****ing not. I refuse to participate in first person exceptionalism by endorsing the Holocaust simply by virtue of that fact that it led to my existence.
There is no way of knowing that.And I believe that regardless of who would or would not have been born as a result of taking your DeLorean to the colonization of the Americas and stopping slavery dead in its tracks, the country as a whole would be objectively better off. The racial and cultural division in this country can be traced back to slavery, and it has paralyzed us and prevented us from moving forward in numerous ways.
Some of Obamas relatives were slave owners according to an article I read.
Historically speaking there's really no reason why that couldn't be true. Slave owners did have sex with their slaves, so the idea that Obama could be related to slave owners is hardly crazy.
Why would they have to have relations with slaves for this to be true?
None of Obama's ancestors were slaves.
If it a person's slave great great great grandmother had sex with her owner and she has his baby, then that slave owner would be an ancestor (relative) of the descendent. In fairness to you, I must have misunderstood your question if I thought you needed to have that whole procreation process explained to you.
It's possible that's not true.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/us/obamas-mother-had-african-forebear-study-suggests.html?_r=0
Lets not get too into the weeds, white people dont get to say they are down with the stuggle because a great great great half uncle was part slave.
Obama's black side came from Kenya, so no slavery.
His white side, was ethnically white.
I dont think we need to get into red herrings here, do you think it helps your argument?
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