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Re: Would imediate withdrawel from iraq result in a third world war?
A survey was conducted back in '79 or something around that time. It said a Sadaam-less Iraq would degenerate into civil war. The two factions being very prejudiced, the Sunni's and the Shi'ites would kill each other, with Kurds in the middle.
Knowing this, or at least with the administration should having this knowledge, a better plan should have been put in place for this eventuality. It certainly wasn't. Unless chaos was the goal, it being easier to rule with division, so some think.
At that time ('79) Iran was in no position to make a play at another country. Now, on the other hand, they are and America has to stay to keep them from growing. Or mend diplomatic ties and work it out.
If America were to leave, Iran would hold dominance in Iraq, and whether or not it would start trying to eliminate Sunni's is really in question. Aside from sponsoring terrorism against mostly Western and Israeli interests, Iran doesn't have a history of doing such things. They have their own communities of Christian, Jewish and Sunni living quite peacefully (though not admittedly on the same level of equality) in their own country and seem more than content to direct their hate at us and Israel.
To some extent a world war is already happening, just not in the traditional sense that we think of it. It's mostly maneuvering and positioning oneself to advantageous bargaining power. Russia obviously backs Iran. So does China. They're not out and out talking about physical war and where they stand, but by their actions and relationships they're making it clear.
Syria and Iran (and Venezuela) are certainly standing shoulder to shoulder making enough noise to the end of trying to appear to have some leverage against the West.
The UK and the U.S.A., along with Australia, Japan and Germany have made their positions clear.
But neither of the big countries wants to start trading blows. No matter what physical damage they can inflict, they know their going to receive their fair share of pain in return. Not only is it bad for business, but it's a step backward for a progressive nation. Hopefully this means we really are evolving away from the necessity for war and conflicts such as WWI & II will really be a thing of the past.
Or it could mean hoping nuclear terrorism can become a reality and can weaken an opponent to the point of taking away all possibilities of any real retaliation.
I think both sides should knock of the posturing and start talking. What can be more noble than offering the olive branch first? And if in return you're hit, what can be more legitimate than an act of real self defense?
I do believe that America is acting in it's own defense against real acts of war commited in recent history. But I also it has it's own complicity in this situation.
A bit long-winded, I know. Appy Polly Loggies.:2wave:
How so? Surely Sunni and Shia can kill each other more effectively if we are not there to stop them?
A survey was conducted back in '79 or something around that time. It said a Sadaam-less Iraq would degenerate into civil war. The two factions being very prejudiced, the Sunni's and the Shi'ites would kill each other, with Kurds in the middle.
Knowing this, or at least with the administration should having this knowledge, a better plan should have been put in place for this eventuality. It certainly wasn't. Unless chaos was the goal, it being easier to rule with division, so some think.
At that time ('79) Iran was in no position to make a play at another country. Now, on the other hand, they are and America has to stay to keep them from growing. Or mend diplomatic ties and work it out.
If America were to leave, Iran would hold dominance in Iraq, and whether or not it would start trying to eliminate Sunni's is really in question. Aside from sponsoring terrorism against mostly Western and Israeli interests, Iran doesn't have a history of doing such things. They have their own communities of Christian, Jewish and Sunni living quite peacefully (though not admittedly on the same level of equality) in their own country and seem more than content to direct their hate at us and Israel.
To some extent a world war is already happening, just not in the traditional sense that we think of it. It's mostly maneuvering and positioning oneself to advantageous bargaining power. Russia obviously backs Iran. So does China. They're not out and out talking about physical war and where they stand, but by their actions and relationships they're making it clear.
Syria and Iran (and Venezuela) are certainly standing shoulder to shoulder making enough noise to the end of trying to appear to have some leverage against the West.
The UK and the U.S.A., along with Australia, Japan and Germany have made their positions clear.
But neither of the big countries wants to start trading blows. No matter what physical damage they can inflict, they know their going to receive their fair share of pain in return. Not only is it bad for business, but it's a step backward for a progressive nation. Hopefully this means we really are evolving away from the necessity for war and conflicts such as WWI & II will really be a thing of the past.
Or it could mean hoping nuclear terrorism can become a reality and can weaken an opponent to the point of taking away all possibilities of any real retaliation.
I think both sides should knock of the posturing and start talking. What can be more noble than offering the olive branch first? And if in return you're hit, what can be more legitimate than an act of real self defense?
I do believe that America is acting in it's own defense against real acts of war commited in recent history. But I also it has it's own complicity in this situation.
A bit long-winded, I know. Appy Polly Loggies.:2wave: