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Would Hillary Refuse the CHAIR if Trump Wins?

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Hawkeye10

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This is the situation where Trump gets the most popular votes, no one gets the majority of electoral votes, but the DC ELITE through the House try to take the win away from him and offer it to Hillary. Would she say no because as an already deeply disliked choice she would have zero chance of doing anything because so much of the nation would see her as illegitimate?

I think she would, in part because I am convinced that she has major health problems, so putting up with 4 years of headaches and heartaches of being a punching bag without being able to get anything done is not what she would want to do with her time.

I am assuming that the R's keep the House, so that she will not be able to move law.

What say U?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
This is the situation where Trump gets the most popular votes but the DC ELITE through the House try to take the win away from him
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Like what happened to al gore?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This is the situation where Trump gets the most popular votes, no one gets the majority of electoral votes, but the DC ELITE through the House try to take the win away from him and offer it to Hillary. Would she say no because as an already deeply disliked choice she would have zero chance of doing anything because so much of the nation would see her as illegitimate?

I think she would, in part because I am convinced that she has major health problems, so putting up with 4 years of headaches and heartaches of being a punching bag without being able to get anything done is not what she would want to do with her time.

I am assuming that the R's keep the House, so that she will not be able to move law.

What say U?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't whoever receives the most Electoral Votes win the election?

The House???

You lost me here.
 
Chomsky said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't whoever receives the most Electoral Votes win the election?

You lost me here.
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I think someone needs to get to 50%, or else it goes to the house.

Right?

And in all states does the person who gets the most votes get all of the electors no matter how low that percentage is? I am not clear on that.
 
Chomsky said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't whoever receives the most Electoral Votes win the election?

The House???

You lost me here.
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He said in the scenario no one gets the majority of electoral votes.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I think someone needs to get to 50%, or else it goes to the house.

Right?

And in all states does the person who gets the most votes get all of the electors no matter how low that percentage is? I am not clear on that.
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TheGoverness said:
He said in the scenario no one gets the majority of electoral votes.
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Ah, O.K., yeah House votes for Pres and Senate votes for Veep.

Interesting question!

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And thanks for bringing this up. I wasn't aware 270 was a required number regardless of the number of competitive candidates; I assumed it came out of (1/2 + 1) of 538 EVs in the usual two party race.

So I assumed the House only breaks a tie ...
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
This is the situation where Trump gets the most popular votes, no one gets the majority of electoral votes, but the DC ELITE through the House try to take the win away from him and offer it to Hillary. Would she say no because as an already deeply disliked choice she would have zero chance of doing anything because so much of the nation would see her as illegitimate?

I think she would, in part because I am convinced that she has major health problems, so putting up with 4 years of headaches and heartaches of being a punching bag without being able to get anything done is not what she would want to do with her time.

I am assuming that the R's keep the House, so that she will not be able to move law.

What say U?
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Simple - hell no. There's nothing magnanimous, ethical, moral, or caring about what the little people think, when it comes to Hillary. If no one received a majority of Electoral College votes, and if she were elected by the House of Representatives, then she would jump all over it and run with a copy of the official ballot from the House of Representatives as described in the 12th Amendment, straight to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and start moving her stuff in.

Nor should she. If she's elected under the 12th Amendment rules and procedures, she's the President. The end - Sine Die...
 
Beaudreaux said:
Simple - hell no. There's nothing magnanimous, ethical, moral, or caring about what the little people think, when it comes to Hillary. If no one received a majority of Electoral College votes, and if she were elected by the House of Representatives, then she would jump all over it and run with a copy of the official ballot from the House of Representatives as described in the 12th Amendment, straight to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and start moving her stuff in.

Nor should she. If she's elected under the 12th Amendment rules and procedures, she's the President. The end - Sine Die...
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A lot of Americans do not see it that way, they think that the one with the most votes should win.

The End.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A lot of Americans do not see it that way, they think that the one with the most votes should win.

The End.
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Then they should change the system. If they are not trying, they got no room to bitch when the constitution is followed.

And for the record, neither would turn down the win if it goes to the house, nor should they. If you win, you win. But the odds of it happening are vanishingly remote.
 
Redress said:
Then they should change the system. If they are not trying, they got no room to bitch when the constitution is followed.

And for the record, neither would turn down the win if it goes to the house, nor should they. If you win, you win. But the odds of it happening are vanishingly remote.
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Regardless of the likelihood this is I think a interesting place to let the mind sit for just a spell, there be profit here.

How badly ****ed is DC ****ed and what motivates Hillary are both very interesting questions.

As you know.

:cowboy:
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A lot of Americans do not see it that way, they think that the one with the most votes should win.

The End.
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The problem for them, is that the Constitution and the law, doesn't change according to current (temporary) public opinion. At one point in time, a lot of Americans saw things differently than a lot of things that are now in the Constitution, like whether or not women should have the vote at all, much less run for the Office of the President of the United States. It just so happens, that the 12th Amendment has been part of the US Constitution since 1804 - I think that that "a lot of Americans" have had time to read it by now.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Regardless of the likelihood this is I think an interesting place to let the mind sit for just a spell.

How badly ****ed in DC and what motivates Hillary are both very interesting questions.

As you know.

:cowboy:
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Your question does not ask any of that. If the house selects the winner, who they select is the winner. Neither Trump nor Clinton would turn it down, and it would be stupid to turn it down.
 
Redress said:
Your question does not ask any of that. If the house selects the winner, who they select is the winner. Neither Trump nor Clinton would turn it down, and it would be stupid to turn it down.
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You have to go through the way stations I mentioned to get to an answer.

There is no other way.

Maybe I over estimated U?
 
Beaudreaux said:
The problem for them, is that the Constitution and the law, doesn't change according to current (temporary) public opinion. At one point in time, a lot of Americans saw things differently than a lot of things that are now in the Constitution, like whether or not women should have the vote at all, much less run for the Office of the President of the United States. It just so happens, that the 12th Amendment has been part of the US Constitution since 1804 - I think that that "a lot of Americans" have had time to read it by now.
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I agree that they lose, but it does mean that the person in the chair is widely understood to be illegitimate.

I am right, you are wrong.

Time for you to admit the truth so that we can move on.

Sorry.

:(
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You have to go through the way stations I mentioned to get to an answer.

There is no other way.

Maybe I over estimated U?
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Is the way station the constitution? I respect the constitution, why don't you?
 
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