rudedog
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Should we as a country still be giving foreign governments aid,basically money we borrowed from china.This goes beyond all reason.
As long as our government keeps up this stupidity we stay in debt for a long time.
So how do you feel.
Regardless of whatever else, note that 45% of our 3.7 Trillion budget is deficit spending, indebting us and our children and grandchildren, and mostly to China.
When you can't pay your monthly expenses, when you're borrowing an amount equal to your paycheck every month to pay your own bills and debts, would you still keep handing out huge sums of money to every bum on the street, including the ones that would like to kill you?
Would you keep paying all of those bills if you could eliminate some ofthem?
Regardless of whatever else, note that 45% of our 3.7 Trillion budget is deficit spending, indebting us and our children and grandchildren, and mostly to China.
When you can't pay your monthly expenses, when you're borrowing an amount equal to your paycheck every month to pay your own bills and debts, would you still keep handing out huge sums of money to every bum on the street, including the ones that would like to kill you?
An individual or household who is in this dire strait, faces the following choices:
1. Cut back (eliminate or reduce bills and expenses, starting with luxuries like entertainment and charity.)
2. Keep spending and eventually declare bankruptcy.
The Fed can keep on spending for a time, since it can print its own money...but the bill will come due at some point.
If we stopped giving foreign aid, then we would still have a huge defecit. So, the choices aren't between having a big defecit with foreign aid or a ballanced budget.
I do think though that foreign aid is MORE IMPORTANT then most domestic welfare though. Even though the "poor" in America are in bad shape, the truely poor in the rest of the world need our help much more.
From my priorities anyway, it doesn't make sense to throw away some of the better spending because of a defecit,
when ideally we should try and get rid of other less nescesary spending.
anyway... we are in a recession, so defecit spending is more acceptable now.
After the recession we should just scrap or revamp most of medicare and non-SS federal weflare to ballance the budget, but keep foreign aid at its current level, or increase it.
And if anything, our foreign aid should be focused on INVESTMENTS for third world countries instead of just handing out food that doesn't fix any problem.
Our foreign aid should be stopped, and our companies should be told they're free to invest in foreign countries without fear of being punished for "outsourcing" or any of the other anti-capitalist, anti-freedom nonsense the socialists have dreamed up to punish people for protecting their money from the socialists.
well... i can agree with you that our citizens should be able to invest their money anywhere they want in the world, which they are anyway, because that is the best way to help the poor.
We do give large amounts of money to nations that DO like us and need help,
We need to remember that one reason many nations may not be too friendly with us is BECAUSE we don't provide very much aid to all nations.[
Also, large amount of our foreign aid comes with requirements that the money is used for specific projects in our interest. This includes money to combat drugs in Columbia
or aid for Iraq
or Afganistan to stabilze the country by helping its people.
But there is many nations that we shouldn't be supporting of course though. We should shouldn't throw out foreign aid from some faulty policies.
I don't give a crap about that. People should be free to invest their money where they want because it's where they want to invest it, regardless of "the poor".
It's their money.
Let's see how well they like us when we stop buying their affection. What are they, Saint Bernards?
Ah, honest nations. Good for them. They don't like us, and they don't have our money.
We should make sure they continue to not have our money, and endeavor to make sure as many other nations as possible can begin to enjoy this respectable state of affairs as soon as possible.
Since we don't have the money to throw away, that day should be tomorrow.
That's no in our interest.
We broke it, we gotta pay for it.
Screw'em, it's cheaper to seed their land with dioxin and cobalt. We went to war with them because they killed three thousand Americans and guests in New York and at the Pentagon. We don't owe them squat, they should be paying us.
Well, socialists will be socialists, where's Ragnar Danneskjöld when he's really needed, huh?
The idea behind foreign aid is that the dividends far outweigh the actual amount being spent.
Who gets U.S. Foreign Aid? | Parade.com
Do you people actually think we're giving aid to Israel/Egypt/Pakistan/Jordan/etc. out of the goodness of our hearts? The State Dept. doesn't give a **** about whether poor folks in those countries have food, they're giving out the money in order to keep **** under control so that we have lower costs in the end.
The amount of money spent on the type of welfare that people generally think about when they hear "foreign aid" is a pittance.
The idea behind foreign aid is that the dividends far outweigh the actual amount being spent.
Who gets U.S. Foreign Aid? | Parade.com
Do you people actually think we're giving aid to Israel/Egypt/Pakistan/Jordan/etc. out of the goodness of our hearts? The State Dept. doesn't give a **** about whether poor folks in those countries have food, they're giving out the money in order to keep **** under control so that we have lower costs in the end.
The amount of money spent on the type of welfare that people generally think about when they hear "foreign aid" is a pittance.
I just don't see how you can place America so much above people around the world.
but I have trouble understanding how you could just not care about them.
Even if being selfish is the best way to help everyone the most, it is important to recongnize that the reason that being selfish is a good idea is still for the greater good.
Easy.
Who's the rest of the world turn to when they need money, a handy aircraft carrier task force to dig them out of a tsunami, or someone to bitch about?
Us.
Must be a reason.
That reason is because we're better than they are, and we should start acting like it, by making them earn the money we waste on them.
It's easy.
All you have to do is figure out what six billion people means.
If you can't figure it out, you don't actually care about them, you're just pretending.
No, being selfish is for the individual's greatest good. That selfishness leads inevitably to economic growth, and hence what some see as a mythical "greater" good is completely irrelevant. The only responsibilities one man has for anyone else are those responsibilities he chooses via word or deed without compulsion.
Nothing wrong with that, after all, the mindless robotic masses that whine that someone is being "selfish" are just being selfish themselves, and jealous that they haven't been able to rob the successful yet. That's all the perpetual background whine you hear is about, envy.
Should we as a country still be giving foreign governments aid,basically money we borrowed from china.This goes beyond all reason.
As long as our government keeps up this stupidity we stay in debt for a long time.
So how do you feel.
You can claim that being selfish has to be for the individual's good, but that does not make much sense if one person is able to slightly benefit when many other people around them are forced to greatly suffer.
If something doesn't help people overall, then it really has no value.
Should we sacrifice the world for an individual? of course not.
The real question in this is HOW we can help the most amount of people the most,
Remember we still need things like limits to mob democracy and a law system to better everyone, this does not mean a political free for all. That would lead to an eventual dictatorship, which is not good for the greater good.
But you are right that other people envy American wealth, but we need to ask ourselves if that envy is validated or not.
Many people from all over the world really do wish that they had the wealth that Americans have, and it isn't that they all want to take it from us, but that they just want an opportunity to compete and then excell.
There is way too many people on the Earth, that is why we should focus our welfare on getting people out of poverty,
Actually, it doesn't. Especially when the nation has to borrow the money in the first place. Then there's the minor fact that it's not the State Department's money their throwing about willy nilly, no, its the money someone worked hard to earn, to feed his family and pay for internet porn. No matter, it is his money, not the State Department's.
Why do people keep trotting out this tired bull**** as if it's actually an argument?
We get it, all government taxes are evil and you deserve to keep every penny of your earnings because you're a true rugged individualist. cool.
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