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Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32[W:122]

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Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Telling the purpose of a law does mean it serves a right purpose in every application. The law may, or may not, serve a moral purpose - it may even serve an immoral purpose. While in this case it serves NO purpose (it is moot given the statute of limitations) I believe the weight of the evidence is that there was no harm done. The woman "abused" did not then (or now?) consider it abuse nor does her mother, who thought it a good thing to have an older and secure man interested in ther daughter.

Link pls
]Few of us are law nazi's, fevered to make sure every traffic speed or jay walker violation ought to be prosecuted. Few take issue with a smoking a joint, failing to report tip income, or for that matter, lying to a jury about one's private life (even in the oval office). Why? Because the law often lacks moral content in specific circumstances.
Law Nazis, history shows the Nazis never subscribed to the rule of law.


As a former resident of a border state, and having observed an occasional 14 year old girl freind of 26 year olds, I understand that which, apparently, you don't want to believe.
Never stated I did not believe it happens- so pls post that. Take your time, as it will be quite time consuming to prove I did.
Never stated it dd not happen, did you report it to the authorities? Or just stand by?
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Telling the purpose of a law does mean it serves a right purpose in every application. The law may, or may not, serve a moral purpose - it may even serve an immoral purpose. While in this case it serves NO purpose (it is moot given the statute of limitations) I believe the weight of the evidence is that there was no harm done. The woman "abused" did not then (or now?) consider it abuse nor does her mother, who thought it a good thing to have an older and secure man interested in ther daughter.

Few of us are law nazi's, fevered to make sure every traffic speed or jay walker violation ought to be prosecuted. Few take issue with a smoking a joint, failing to report tip income, or for that matter, lying to a jury about one's private life (even in the oval office). Why? Because the law often lacks moral content in specific circumstances.

As a former resident of a border state, and having observed an occasional 14 year old girl freind of 26 year olds, I understand that which, apparently, you don't want to believe.
^ This post should be entitled In Praise of Child Molesters.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Your opinion.

That what Nixon and the GOP claimed in '72.

Exactly, though two different animals, the similarities with obstruction are uncanny. Trump should have paid attention in US History, he is not as political savy as Nixon, the Liar in Chief admits obstruction in an ABC interview, and we all thought Nixon was a dope for the tapes !! The Dems should be thankful Don has a large ego, and an even bigger mouth. Still say it will be his undoing.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

I read that in the OP article and started to make my post read as: "So, the "legal" question has been asked and answered....somewhat." But I decided to close that legal loophole here at least because IMO it's doubtful Roy Moore will be brought up on charges over this. I mean, if the victim didn't file charges it's unlikely the DA will pursue legal action (not unless there's public pressure).
I think all the girl may have left is a civil case, which has a lower bar-of-proof, but she's going to need it after 30 odd years.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

It's clear you don't understand what spin is, and that you've interpreted my posts very, very poorly.

*gasp* Be careful. He will report you every time. :lol:
 
Sorry, did not meant to be obtuse or make that general argument. It was just your use of "exposed" in that post that prompted the sarcasm.
Oops.

No problem at all. I thought it might be sarcasm, but wasn't sure.

My bad, as well!
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

*gasp* Be careful. He will report you every time. :lol:

Whatever he needs to do to pass the time.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Interesting.

Because with 48 Dems, another 17 opposition Republican Senators can make a 2/3rd majority to expel Moore.

I think the most likely scenario will be a write-in candidate, probably Strange. This is the only path to victory for the Democrat, Jones.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...1bae4b05673aa5948dd?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009



Uh, oh. Even the rightest of the right are jumping ship. I guess for some, homophobia, bigotry and birtherism is ok, but child molestation is just a bridge too far.

If you look at the demographics breakdown for VA elections this week, suburban Mothers came out in droves, and voted Dem. If Moore wins, and takes his seat unchallenged by the GOP, there will be a nation full of pissed off suburban Moms, and they vote.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Based on his approval, the Alabama GOP's reaction and betting markets, I think Moore is going to survive this. I really think Alabama is going to vote for a child molester.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

I think the most likely scenario will be a write-in candidate, probably Strange. This is the only path to victory for the Democrat, Jones.

Exactly. You have the freak-show holdouts who are still supporting Moore despite his shenanigans, and then you have those who write in Luther Strange, or someone else. That is going to divide the GOP vote enough that Jones might just win.

*Starting my Christmas letter to Santa Claus*
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Based on his approval, the Alabama GOP's reaction and betting markets, I think Moore is going to survive this. I really think Alabama is going to vote for a child molester.

If people take Strange as their write-in candidate, it'll split the GOP vote and open the door for Jones.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

I think the most likely scenario will be a write-in candidate, probably Strange. This is the only path to victory for the Democrat, Jones.
As an aside, the craziest scenario I can think of is Jeff Sessions quitting or getting fired as AG, and trying to go as a write in! :shock:
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Exactly. You have the freak-show holdouts who are still supporting Moore despite his shenanigans, and then you have those who write in Luther Strange, or someone else. That is going to divide the GOP vote enough that Jones might just win.

*Starting my Christmas letter to Santa Claus*
:lamo
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Based on his approval, the Alabama GOP's reaction and betting markets, I think Moore is going to survive this. I really think Alabama is going to vote for a child molester.
If I had to bet, I think that's likely.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

If you look at the demographics breakdown for VA elections this week, suburban Mothers came out in droves, and voted Dem. If Moore wins, and takes his seat unchallenged by the GOP, there will be a nation full of pissed off suburban Moms, and they vote.
That's actually a pretty good point, IMHO.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Based on his approval, the Alabama GOP's reaction and betting markets, I think Moore is going to survive this. I really think Alabama is going to vote for a child molester.

If it was one accuser I would be hesitant to shove him off the ticket, but it seems as if there are more, and if recent history is anything to go by, there will be LOTS more. He will get his day in court, for the good of the party, he needs to self eject. This stink will hang on the GOP if this man enters the Senate.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

As an aside, the craziest scenario I can think of is Jeff Sessions quitting or getting fired as AG, and trying to go as a write in! :shock:

Now that is a reality show I would enjoy watching!
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

Based on his approval, the Alabama GOP's reaction and betting markets, I think Moore is going to survive this. I really think Alabama is going to vote for a child molester.

If the sports book odds are any indication your analysis is probably correct.

Jones went from 6 to 1 before the allegations, to even money at the height of hysteria 1 to 1, and now Jones is back to a 2 to 1
underdog!
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

When people make allegations of things of wrongdoing against another that doesn't always equate to being the truth. There have been many times a persons life was devastated/ruined over an allegation that later was proved false.

From a mother who raised a daughter, I question the actions of the mother. I would never leave my child alone with a man that I did not know personally. I doubt most mothers would be comfortable with such a thing. I question the part where the accuser said they exchanged phone numbers. As a mother of a daughter at age 14, I knew who she was talking to on the phone and who was calling her. I think most parents do the same. My 14 year old daughter would have to tell me a real whopper to manage to walk to a location where she would be picked up by this man, drive at least thirty minutes to his home, time for all she alleges that took place then drive another 30 minutes back to be dropped off and walk back home. I pondered to recall anytime my 14 year old daughter went anywhere without me or her father and that only occurred when there were other kids going as a group. Whether it was riding bikes to the swimming pool, playing tennis at the park, going to the library, Girl Scout meetings, or heading to the Ben Franklin in town for a bag of candy. She did babysit for couples in the neighborhood but that was it.

The timing of the story makes it questionable at the very least. And reported in a newspaper that has endorsed Moore's opponent.

And because someone makes allegations of pedophilia, we shouldn't question their intent and simply take it as the truth?

That's not how you get to the truth.

Moore has enemies on the left and the right. As dirty as politics are, it is not beyond the possibility this is a smear campaign.



He denies the allegations.

Regardless what you think of Moore, he isn't a stupid man. If he was guilty of such actions, and knows his victims are talking, then he knows this is not going to go away and the right thing to do would be step aside. However, if he is innocent he should have the right to defend himself and have his say.

I reject that premise. In the past, if someone were guilty or their were additional revelations ahead, people would do the honorable thing and step aside. In fact, even if they were not guilty, they would have sufficient respect for the office that they would step aside suggesting that the distractions would inhibit their ability to fully serve the people. That was back when we had politicians that had respect for the office and Americans that had respect for their country...

Now, however, no one respects anything but their own selfish agenda. Recent history (Vetters, Craig, Ensign, Trump) has shown you can simply wait out the news cycle and the people will forget.... because, in the end, no one cares about dignity and honor any more, and by extension, dare I say, no one seems to really care about our democracy.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

So? It's 2017, who is still in charge of the democratic party? Did you even think about this before you posted it?


Why the **** should anyone care?

Can anyone in the democratic declare war? can anyone in the democratic party raise taxes, buld roads, stimulate the economy? No.

Is there any difference between the way Republicans operate and democrats? No.

Do I or have I ever supported the democratic party? No.

Would I? No.

The only difference right now is your leader is a sex offender, liar and insane.

Have a good day. We will not speak again.
 
Re: Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

"Spare the rod spoil the child" -- Roy Moore
 
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