Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman (2)

[Kreton]

Right, so in light of the other evidence stated, IE that Trayvon had gone to the store to buy skittles,

Are you suggesting that if someone buys skittles they are incapable of assault?

Zimmerman had called the police 50 times in a year (a little paranoid if you ask me),

And now your suggesting that people who call 911 are not allowed to defend themselves from attacks.

the person at the 911 station told him to NOT follow him,

Zimmerman is legally allowed to follow him.

the fact that he is black (and yes, people still do fear blacks),

Black people should be allowed to assault other races without consequence?

all of this still paints Zimmerman as a truthful person? You just buy his story?

Considering no other story exists other than pure speculation. Yes.

What about the other phone call where you hear Martin screaming for help?

You mean the phone call where police say Zimmerman, not martin, was screaming for help? the one confirmed by an eye witness?

Why would someone who had just chased down a suspicious person be yelling for help and then subsequently shoot him?

Zimmerman was yelling for help because he was getting the **** kicked out of him. He had the injuries and witnesses to support that story. But since you are scared of black people it makes sense that his injuries, eye witness statements and 911 calls be discarded as evidence. Jesse Jackson says its racist so Zimmerman must be guilty right?

 

[Kreton]

had Zimmerman minded his ****ing business, Trayvon would be alive and Zimmy would still be a lonely fat-ass with anger issues.

Stand Your Ground, says that Trayvon had EVERY right to stand his ground and confront Zimmerman, since Zimmerman was following him in a car and on foot.

The LAW...is on Trayvon's side. That's possibly why Zimmerman blew him away.

No law gives Trayvon the right to assault Zimmerman. Zimmerman was being assaulted and defended himself. That is perfectly fine. Or do you honestly believe that people are supposed to sit there and get beaten just because some kid has anger issues?

 

[Erod]

had Zimmerman minded his ****ing business, Trayvon would be alive and Zimmy would still be a lonely fat-ass with anger issues.

Stand Your Ground, says that Trayvon had EVERY right to stand his ground and confront Zimmerman, since Zimmerman was following him in a car and on foot.

The LAW...is on Trayvon's side. That's possibly why Zimmerman blew him away.

Wow, LOL. There are so many leaps to judgment in this, it's hard to follow.

Liberals want so badly to hang this registered Democrat from the nearest tree in the name of Racism and Gun Control, it's beyond comical.

 

[Jryan]

So....if you defend yourself once in your life with a gun, you give up the right to defend yourself with a gun in an attack again?

No, but can't we have that as an option? Say, there is this shady situation, like the one described, why not just say, sorry we don't trust you, no more guns for you. I mean because now he has shown a history of violence... I don't want someone that has a history of violence to be able to have a 9mm in their waste band.

Edit:

I think most states have a law against someone owning a gun with a record of violent crimes, I could be wrong though.

 

[Kreton]

None of that is certain. Nobody said they saw the beginning of the altercation. And nobody has said they saw the shot that ended it.

Seems to me Zimmerman did. No evidence shows that Zimmermans story is false.

 

[Jryan]

Seems to me Zimmerman did. No evidence shows that Zimmermans story is false.

Right, but there is TONS of evidence to show a botched police investigation and a person with a violent history. That is enough doubt for me to suspect him as a liar.

 

[Ockham]

Right, but there is TONS of evidence to show a botched police investigation and a person with a violent history. That is enough doubt for me to suspect him as a liar.

Can you provide some links to the TONS of evidence showing a botched police investigation?

 

[Porchev]

I don't know why we don't just say, "Well Zimmerman, you may be lying you may not be, but given the situation we are going to revoke your right to own a gun." How would this be unfair. I think if someone shoots and kills someone (and there is any doubt about what happened), then we should remove their right to own a gun, problem solved... No one goes to jail, no one gets mad, no one gets fired...

That seems totally wrong. Oh, wait, I see your political leaning, I get it now.

 

[Erod]

No, but can't we have that as an option? Say, there is this shady situation, like the one described, why not just say, sorry we don't trust you, no more guns for you. I mean because now he has shown a history of violence... I don't want someone that has a history of violence to be able to have a 9mm in their waste band.Edit:

I think most states have a law against someone owning a gun with a record of violent crimes, I could be wrong though.

Shady people with a history of violence will never be bothered by some stupid law that says they can't have a gun. Following laws is not their forte. They'll have one anyway.

 

[Kreton]

Right, but there is TONS of evidence to show a botched police investigation and a person with a violent history. That is enough doubt for me to suspect him as a liar.

The police investigation may be suspicious. Are you now suggesting that if police fudge an investigation you must convict someone of murder? Does that really make sense to you?

 

[Jryan]

Shady people with a history of violence will never be bothered by some stupid law that says they can't have a gun. Following laws is not their forte. They'll have one anyway.

Right, we also have a law that bans smoking pot... The point is, if he gets caught with a gun, he goes to jail...

 

[Tettsuo]

Seems to me Zimmerman did. No evidence shows that Zimmermans story is false.

Blindly believing the person that possibly committed a crime is reasonable to you?

 

[Jryan]

The police investigation may be suspicious. Are you now suggesting that if police fudge an investigation you must convict someone of murder? Does that really make sense to you?

No, but it adds suspicion to Zimmerman's word.

 

[Kreton]

Right, we also have a law that bans smoking pot... The point is, if he gets caught with a gun, he goes to jail...

Why would he go to jail? Pot is illegal (for now, not much longer). Guns are not.

 

[Jryan]

Why would he go to jail? Pot is illegal (for now, not much longer). Guns are not.

I could of substituted anything for pot... The point is, if we say you can't have a gun and you get pulled over with a gun strapped to your waste, hello prison because their is a good reason for why your right was removed.

 

[Kreton]

No, but it adds suspicion to Zimmerman's word.

No it doesnt. Evidence, such as his injuries, the 911 calls, and eye witnesses, indicate zimmermans story is accurate. Nothing other than media hype and outraged parents and a bunch of people who are looking for racism suggest otherwise.

 

[Porchev]

Seems to me Zimmerman did. No evidence shows that Zimmermans story is false.

Based on several things I have read, heard, and seen about that guy, I don't trust him.

 

[Peter Ilyich]

Stand Your Ground, says that Trayvon had EVERY right to stand his ground and confront Zimmerman, since Zimmerman was following him in a car and on foot.

You're just flat out wrong here.

The Stand Your Ground law allows for a person to kill someone in self-defense in order to avoid imminent death or severe injuries. Your mind is obviously made up against Zimmerman but there is absolutely no evidence to believe Martin was ever in danger of death or severe injuries. On the other hand, Martin was in the process of smashing Zimmerman's head into the cement - but he had Skittles! - when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. He did have a very legitimate reason to believe he was in danger of at least severe injuries.

 

[Tettsuo]

No it doesnt. Evidence, such as his injuries, the 911 calls, and eye witnesses, indicate zimmermans story is accurate. Nothing other than media hype and outraged parents and a bunch of people who are looking for racism suggest otherwise.

No it doesn't. We have no idea how the injuries occur and no one knows how the altercation started... other than Zimmerman and a dead 17 year old. There is no eye witness that knows who attacked whom first. You're making up facts.

 

[Kreton]

Based on several things I have read, heard, and seen about that guy, I don't trust him.

But have you honestly seen any evidence that disproves his story? It is wrong to want to convict a guy of murder just because you don't like him. Listening to his 911 call you get an idea of his personality. I think he is a petty and overreacting person. I think he is likely harboring some racist thoughts. He thinks he is a cop or has some kind of authority. All of that makes him a ****ty person in my book, however, that does not mean he did not act in self defense.

 

[Jryan]

such as his injuries

Bruise on the back of the head? Right, usually when you get in a fight that ends up on the pavement, you get a bruise on the back of your head. The bloody nose, the 100 lb kid got off a lucky shot in a 2 min. fight...

the 911 calls

In what way does this add evidence to his story?

eye witnesses

Are you referring to the fake eye witness?

 

[Kreton]

No it doesn't. We have no idea how the injuries occur and no one knows how the altercation started... other than Zimmerman and a dead 17 year old. There is no eye witness that knows who attacked whom first. You're making up facts.

What did I make up? There is an eye witness that says who attacked who first, Zimmerman. We know from eye witnesses that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating his head in. That is consistent with Zimmermans account of Martin punching him and he fell. I didnt make up anything and unless your going to show a quote where I did please don't continue with these false claims.

 

[ric27]

he's not a watch captian of anything. he's a self-described, self-nominated "captian" of an unofficial 1-man neighborhood watch team. :lamo



baseless allegations by a cop-beating, woman-beating, polic-rejected fat ****, who decided that Martin was an asshole and on drugs before even meeting him.



more baseless allegations, and clear projection.



bull****. You have been against Martin and on Zimmy's side since DAY ONE.

your dishonest claims of prior balance & impartiality will fall on deaf ears, as your own posts prove it to all be lies & crap.

If all what you are saying is *true*then why, the NO-GO from, the DA to even file? Given all the evidence?

Why? Among the litigators, the technical term of art for such pronouncements without certainty is "****ing useless bull****."

 

[Kreton]

Bruise on the back of the head? Right, usually when you get in a fight that ends up on the pavement, you get a bruise on the back of your head. The bloody nose, the 100 lb kid got off a lucky shot in a 2 min. fight...

Broken nose, swollen lips, and back of the head beat in. What injuries did Martin have other than the gun shot wound?

In what way does this add evidence to his story?

Him crying out for help in one call. And him stating clearly to a 911 operator seconds before the fight starts that he cannot find Martin any longer.

Are you referring to the fake eye witness?

Fake? So People randomly made statements for no reason? Or you think police made up the statements?

 

[Peter Ilyich]

Bruise on the back of the head? Right, usually when you get in a fight that ends up on the pavement, you get a bruise on the back of your head. The bloody nose, the 100 lb kid got off a lucky shot in a 2 min. fight...

EMS officials treated him for lacerations to the back of the head.

Are you referring to the fake eye witness?

Are you suggesting that the police, EMS, eye witnesses, and media are all involved in an elaborate conspiracy?

I get that a black person being involved nonsensically means there are political considerations but at what point does this become silly?