Without mentioning or referring to Trump, why do you support Harris for president?

[Ethel2]

Don’t hate. It is possible to speak truth to the non-discerning, given what is readily known of Trump via the public record, and those who do discern but just don’t care without it. Even if they hate you for insisting they see it for what it is.

Folks, if you support Trump given what there is to be known of him given his very public record of fraud and deceit you can’t do so without suspension of common decency and common sense. You can’t support Trump and also be of good character and sound ethical thinking. They are mutually exclusive of each other.

It is literally saying, “I approve of stealing by fraud and deception, lying, cheating and swindling but I’m a good person.”

You think on that before you vote.

I hate all mass murderers. I hate all sex offenders. I find them despicable. There are certain crimes that I can never forgive.

 

[Ethel2]

That certainly sounds like someone that should be easy to beat in an election.

You would certainly think so, wouldn’t you.
But with 30-35% of the electorate worshipping the scumbag regardless of the fact that he hasn’t a shred of integrity all you need is roughly one in five voters to be gullible saps to win an election. Unfortunately that figure is totally achievable in our current society.
Does integrity matter to you in your President? Yes or no.

 

[X Factor]

You would certainly think so, wouldn’t you.
But with 30-35% of the electorate worshipping the scumbag regardless of the fact that he hasn’t a shred of integrity all you need is roughly one in five voters to be gullible saps to win an election. Unfortunately that figure is totally achievable in our current society.
Does integrity matter to you in your President? Yes or no.

Wouldn’t you say a lot more hate Trump though? Wouldn’t that mean the haters have to convince far fewer “gullible saps” to win?

 

[X Factor]

I hate all mass murderers. I hate all sex offenders. I find them despicable. There are certain crimes that I can never forgive.

“Mass murderer,” LOL.

 

[roguenuke]

There’s also been years and years of Trump hate. How is it possible that Harris isn’t able to capitalize on that?

Because the cult mentality is a lot stronger. There is far less hate of him than adoration. Most is just annoyance at him and dislike of his policies, to a strong degree. He is the opposite of what most reasonable people consider a good leader. It isn't that difficult to see if you aren't blinded by an ego telling you that admitting it would be "painful".

 

[Ethel2]

Wouldn’t you say a lot more hate Trump though? Wouldn’t that mean the haters have to convince far fewer “gullible saps” to win?

Does integrity in your President matter to you?
Yes or no.

 

[Ethel2]

“Mass murderer,” LOL.

Mass murderer.
Period

 

[Helix]

I don't want females to be subjugated. I think that Harris agrees with me on this issue.

 

[Ethel2]

Because the cult mentality is a lot stronger. There is far less hate of him than adoration. Most is just annoyance at him and dislike of his policies, to a strong degree. He is the opposite of what most reasonable people consider a good leader. It isn't that difficult to see if you aren't blinded by an ego telling you that admitting it would be "painful".

Actually I really don’t care what his policies are. He could be a democrat or an independent or anything else-I would never ever vote for a sex offender, a fraudster, or a convicted felon for ANY office. These scumbags belong in PRISON, not in an office.

 

[Hari Seldon]

She's black!!!!

She is? I thought the wingnut assholes said she wasn't. Make up your mind.

 

[year2late]

I understand why a lot of people are voting against Trump, but I’d like to hear what the reasons are you’re voting for (or generally support, even if you can’t vote) Harris.

Protection for women's rights (in healthcare in particular)
Pushing for improve healthcare access
Stance on Ukraine
Support for middle class
Not a racist.
Not a theocrat
I can trust her to listen to science -especially if another pandemic comes around
Can trust her to adjust her position if new information comes around.
Accepts guns - but is for reasonable gun control.
Will try to build bridges where possible. Our country is more divided than ever. Although I accept that there are people who are so dug in they will never accept change.
I trust her with the economy.
That is a fair start.

 

[Lursa]

yes, I got some very good answers.

Such as? You seem to be playing coy...no OP assessment?

 

[Lursa]

I think it would it would tricky for me to think of a reason to support Harris without referring to Trump for a simple reason, the Dems are not actually a left wing party. Biden would be a moderate Tory in most commonwealth countries.

I could come up with reasons to vote for someone similar to Bernie Sanders over Trump, but with Harris, it would be a lesser of two evils choice, IMO. The Dems are propping up the flawed system that created Trumpism in the first place.

Hilary was propping up the flawed system, "more of the same." Harris is not. Biden is moderate, she may be more left but the overall composition of Congress will not allow her to go far left. And with her toughness on crime, I dont see her being too far left-leaning in the areas that mean the most to me.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Harris is a straight-shooter and has been successful at each step in her ascent.

Our ideas align and she has integrity. And she just turned 60.

Plus, I don't want any more conservative judges anywhere in our judicial system

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Trump didn't blow an ugly old man in order to get political appointments. Trump didn't arrest and prosecute weed users, and then laugh about smoking MJ herself. Trump didn't keep people in prison pass their release date in order to provide the state of California with cheap labor.

Trump's record makes him look like an angel compared to Harris. She is a despicable, vile human being.

Neither did Harris. If you think she did show me the proof. Not someone simply saying it. Not hearsay. Proof. The stuff I’ve stated about Trump is proven. It’s civil court cases he’s lost.

Even if it was, and again it’s not, you are comparing a.sexual relationship to theft of millions from thousands of people. With slander. With tax fraud and theft using a charity.

These are not equivalent acts.

Don’t you see that failure to understand equivalency is symptomatic of what I’m stating. You’ve lost touch with reality based standards of ethics.

You’re comparing loping off someone’s arm with a paper cut.

Again, only if Harris actually did anything. .

 

[PoliSciPulse]

Her platform is subjectively better than Trump's. She knows more about legislation that's going on, has gotten results throughout her career, and doesn't want to put one group down at the expense of another. All three things of which are not on Trump's website.

 

[NinjaMidget]

Couldn't answer the question so I will answer it for you: you can't disagree with any of the facts I presented because they are FACTS, something very foreign to MAGATS. Glad thats settled. I will not debate facts.

I love the double standards in this forum. You can't call someone bo-peep or snowflake, but magats is okey-dokey. You can state all the FACTS you want. They don't negate the facts that I already know. You can keep posting all your facts about how great things really are, but your facts just don't line up with mine. Reality is a funny thing. You can keep telling me that my reality is not real, but the only one you're convincing is yourself.

 

[Ethel2]

I love the double standards in this forum. You can't call someone bo-peep or snowflake, but magats is okey-dokey. You can state all the FACTS you want. They don't negate the facts that I already know. You can keep posting all your facts about how great things really are, but your facts just don't line up with mine. Reality is a funny thing. You can keep telling me that my reality is not real, but the only one you're convincing is yourself.

“They don't negate the facts that I already know. ”

Thanks for proving my point.
You have no facts. If you disagree, present them now. And don’t bother with your meaningless anecdotes-i want DATA.
I do though and I taught them to you but MAGATS disregard facts that are inconsistent with what they “know” is the case.
Here’s the bottom line: things are actually pretty good under the Biden administration. Inflation is near the fed target; unemployment is low; wages have outpaced inflation for nearly two years….those are the facts. I will no longer debate facts with you on this.

 

[NinjaMidget]

She is? I thought the wingnut assholes said she wasn't. Make up your mind.

Well she is because that's what she identifies as now..because it fits a narrative. When she was elected to the senate, she was indian. Both of these things are true, the only difference between then and now is that one was most beneficial to her then and the other is now. Obama could and would have identified himself a white man if only it were beneficial to him. His mother was white, after all.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Well she is because that's what she identifies as now..because it fits a narrative. When she was elected to the senate, she was indian. Both of these things are true, the only difference between then and now is that one was most beneficial to her then and the other is now. Obama could and would have identified himself a white man if only it were beneficial to him. His mother was white, after all.

I see. You are an expert in race. How nice. I'll tell you what's beneficial. Listening to morons talk about things they know nothing about. Then you know who to ignore.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Hilary was propping up the flawed system, "more of the same." Harris is not. Biden is moderate, she may be more left but the overall composition of Congress will not allow her to go far left. And with her toughness on crime, I dont see her being too far left-leaning in the areas that mean the most to me.

We shall see if she wins. Though frankly I don't think she will promote the changes needed to address the issues that created Trumpism in the first place.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Trump didn't blow an ugly old man in order to get political appointments. Trump didn't arrest and prosecute weed users, and then laugh about smoking MJ herself. Trump didn't keep people in prison pass their release date in order to provide the state of California with cheap labor.

Trump's record makes him look like an angel compared to Harris. She is a despicable, vile human being.

Don't conservatives like Ron DeStanis and Tucker Carlson oppose legalize weed? What are you doing to oppose them? Nothing? Big surprise:

Reefer Madness: Tucker Carlson and Friends Blame Weed for Gun Massacres

Fox News hosts have once again been struck with an outbreak of Reefer Madness, blaming cannabis use for various unrelated social ills.

www.rollingstone.com

DeSantis Urges Marijuana Enthusiasts To Reject Florida Legalization Initiative That He Claims Only Benefits 'One Big Weed Company' - Marijuana Moment

“They are not spending $100 million because they want to benefit you or they want to benefit the state of Florida.” By Mitch Perry, Florida Phoenix With Floridians now actively voting on the proposed constitutional amendment to legalize recreational cannabis for adults 21 and older, Gov. Ron...

www.marijuanamoment.net

Ah yes, the whole "Harris slept her way to the top" canard eh? I guess sexism is part of your small government ideology eh? The role of the state is state is stay out of mens way and make sure women stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen? Your small government ideology need not apply to women, because you think they should property of men eh?

 

[NinjaMidget]

I see. You are an expert in race. How nice. I'll tell you what's beneficial. Listening to morons talk about things they know nothing about. Then you know who to ignore.

Those are just facts. No expertise required for them.

 

[Quag]

Don't conservatives like Ron DeStanis and Tucker Carlson oppose legalize weed? What are you doing to oppose them? Nothing? Big surprise:

Reefer Madness: Tucker Carlson and Friends Blame Weed for Gun Massacres

Fox News hosts have once again been struck with an outbreak of Reefer Madness, blaming cannabis use for various unrelated social ills.

www.rollingstone.com

DeSantis Urges Marijuana Enthusiasts To Reject Florida Legalization Initiative That He Claims Only Benefits 'One Big Weed Company' - Marijuana Moment

“They are not spending $100 million because they want to benefit you or they want to benefit the state of Florida.” By Mitch Perry, Florida Phoenix With Floridians now actively voting on the proposed constitutional amendment to legalize recreational cannabis for adults 21 and older, Gov. Ron...

www.marijuanamoment.net

Ah yes, the whole "Harris slept her way to the top" canard eh? I guess sexism is part of your small government ideology eh? The role of the state is state is stay out of mens way and make sure women stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen? Your small government ideology need not apply to women, because you think they should property of men eh?

neither of those scumbags are conservatives

 

[Yes_Minister]

neither of those scumbags are conservatives

They aren't? I think a lot of people here would say they are and saying they are not lets conservatives off the hook for empowering these guys in the first place.