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so then, how did your founding fathers know what rights God wanted for people?
Go read the Bible and educate yourself.
There are no human rights in the Bible. When people say things like this, I'm forced to question whether they've ever read the Bible for themselves.
Why don't try asking an educated question? This isn't the basement, spud. Go read the Bible and educate yourself. If you read the writings of the founders, you wouldn't be asking such a question.
where does the bible mention everyone has a right to bear arms, or a trial by jury, free speech? none of these things are in the bible. And you think the founding fathers writings prove anything? that seems to be the logic that it is because they say so, i bet you i can find british documents about the war of independence that mention god is on their side too, god is only mentioned in the founding documents 'cause it was the custom of the day to assume god was on your side, and that by saying so often enough, people would believe it, the fact is, these "inalienable" rights are just as much the construct of man as any other document by any other country, religious or secular, and sincerely doubt god is going to smote anyone who takes them away from you.
and i'll leave you with a song that demonstrates some of my argument
I thought I asked you to get educated. You think posting Youtube is a rebuttal? And you prove my point, by making the rights of men the constructs of man. Without God, they aren't inalienable.
by making the rights of men the constructs of man. Without God, they aren't inalienable.
Try the Ten Commandments to start, then read about who set those commandment.
Exodus 20 said:2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exodus 20 said:7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
Exodus 20 said:8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.
Exodus 20 said:12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Exodus 20 said:13 You shall not murder.
Exodus 20 said:14 You shall not commit adultery.
Exodus 20 said:15 You shall not steal.
Exodus 20 said:16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Exodus 20 said:17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Life and property are easily found in those commandments.
where does the bible mention everyone has a right to bear arms, or a trial by jury, free speech?
Actually Spud, those general principles are indeed found in the Bible to some degree. I don't have chapter and verse memorized, but I can dig them up and give it to you if you want.
that'd be good, i can't remember having read any references to them in there, but it's been a while since i flicked through my bible, and i'm not sure where it is.
K. Might take a day or two, I'm going to be kinda busy and I'll have to do some research.
that'd be good, i can't remember having read any references to them in there, but it's been a while since i flicked through my bible, and i'm not sure where it is.
Jesus himself said that if you didn't own a sword, you should sell your clothes to buy one. I can't come up with anything for the others, though.
i doubt that was literal, and anyway, he also later says "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword"
I take it literally, because it bears none of the hallmarks of parable or allegory, but rather is part of a speech that seems to offer practical advice instead.
I take it literally, because it bears none of the hallmarks of parable or allegory, but rather is part of a speech that seems to offer practical advice instead.
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