Wise to be allied with Israel ?

[cnredd]

"What a world we live in, eh? "Let's just get rid of a whole race and everything will be fine."

Thats pretty much what most americans and isreallis say about arabs.

The into the sea thing is propaganda nonesence.

Nobody wants Isrealis there its not there land, they come from other paces. They should take a hint.

America should have people in goverment who support their instrests, not foreign nations.

Since the re-establishment of the State of Israel, the Arab nations have called for the destruction of the Jewish State. Statements by their leaders, Fatwas (Muslim degrees) issued by the leading Muslim clerics stated specifically that Jihad was a permanent state of war with the Jews who were to be driven into the sea - in other words, Genocide.

They went on to demonstrate their intentions through six wars and one long, unending 'low intensity' war, called terrorism. Had Israel lost any one war, the Arabs would have matched the Genocide of the Germans who had received cooperation from many of the European nations. Wars and Arab terrorism claimed 20,000 Jewish lives, plus hundreds of thousands wounded, many maimed for life. In terms of the United States population that would be 7 million dead Americans. This state of war exists today and is well known to the leaders of the world's nations.

Yassir Arafat, in cooperation with Saddam of Iraq, the Ayatollahs of Iran, Assad of Syria, Kaddafi of Libya, Egyptian Presidents - financed by support of Saudi Arabia with other oil and Muslim States - murdered Jews, Americans and their own Arab people. Their oft-stated intention is to make all of Israel Judenrein (free of Jews). The State Department and President's office received a tape of Yassir Arafat ordering the executions of American Ambassador Cleo Noel, Jr., his aide and the Belgium Ambassador in Khartoum. For reasons of politics, Arafat was not accused, indicted or tried by the US government.

http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/genocide.html

 

[cnredd]

"What a world we live in, eh? "Let's just get rid of a whole race and everything will be fine."

Thats pretty much what most americans and isreallis say about arabs.

The into the sea thing is propaganda nonesence.


Nobody wants Isrealis there its not there land, they come from other paces. They should take a hint.

America should have people in goverment who support their instrests, not foreign nations.

Want another?

For Hamas, the one true path to liberate the land is armed struggle, jihad, and negotiations with Israel have no role. The Hamas Covenant says it plainly:

There is no other solution for the Palestinian problem other than jihad. All the initiatives and international conferences are a waste of time and a futile game.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_plo_hamas.php

 

[nefarious_plot]

Nobody outside the Local American babtist church is gonna buy into that nonesence. Americans see nothing wrould with abuse of natives. They slaughter indians left and right. The rest of the world though. They dont find sympathy for people that forced themselves upon a unwilling country.

Re-establishment is the wrong term. The bible is not history. isreal is not the Isreal of the bible nor the Kingdom of Isreal spoken of in the text.

 

[cnredd]

"What a world we live in, eh? "Let's just get rid of a whole race and everything will be fine."

Thats pretty much what most americans and isreallis say about arabs.

The into the sea thing is propaganda nonesence.


Nobody wants Isrealis there its not there land, they come from other paces. They should take a hint.

America should have people in goverment who support their instrests, not foreign nations.

This is who you're rooting or...

An especially troubling aspect of the incitement is the appeal to children. The standard fare on the Voice of Palestine radio station is for programs to open with details of martyrs' deaths and burials sandwiched between patriotic and Islamic songs with martial melodies. A particularly popular song on Voice of Palestine, also broadcast on PA television, features a father singing about his son as a martyr -- the son being Mohammed Al-Dura. On March 3, 1999 Senator Connie Mack of Florida gave a speech on the Senate floor during which he stood in front of a poster-size photograph of a scene from the Palestinian Authority television program, "The Children's Club," in which a child is shown saying:

When I wander into the entrance of Jerusalem, I will turn into a suicide warrior in battle dress. In battle dress! In battle dress!

On April 30, 1999 the Voice of Palestine broadcast a religious sermon telling Muslims that recognition of Israel's right to exist is "forbidden by religious law", in violation of the most fundamental requirement of the Oslo peace process.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_vop_radio.php

 

[nefarious_plot]

condemning 8 million poeple sounds pretty ironic of a suporter of "jews" I am not rooting for anything other then justice.


I surely wont buy into the American bigotry towards palistinians.
Nor do I need slanted websites to tell me who they are.

Americans though surely need a objective website to show them who Isrealis are.

 

[MiamiFlorida]

I think Israel is the source of all the problems in the Middle East. Israel in an imperial occupier since they invaded the West Bank, Gaza and Sinai (they had to give Sinai back, but the settlers weren't too happy).

The reason why the terrorists hate America so much is that bias foreign policy to Israel. When Israel does something against international law, the US turns a blind eye and instead gives them nuclear technology. That's really why 9/11 happened.

I'm not stating that Palenstinian side are innocent of crimes, but a Palastine state (with the West Bank and Gaza Strip) would serve to decrease Islamic terrorism. Decrease the hatred, decrease the support for terrorist groups, you decrease terrorism. That is what is happening in Northern Ireland.

The source of all the problems in the Middle East is Islamic fundamentalism. Israel is just a target. You forget that Israel "invaded" after being attacked....how many times? ....and by how many nations?

There's nothing wrong with a democracy being biased torwards another democracy. Maybe the terrorists should try democracy instead of civilian slaughter....instead than us selling out Israel for the glory of Allah. I guarantee you we would become their buddies.

You seem to have a very selective memory when it comes to "International Law". Do the enemies of Israel respect international law? Do they respect international law in the treatment of their own citizens?

The only reason a Palestinian State does not exist is because until very recently, Palestinians refused to accept Israel's right to exist. I suppose that if the goal of every inhabitant of Northern Ireland were to exterminate the Britons from the face of the earth you would feel very differently about them, wouldn't you?

 

[robin]

You seem to have a very selective memory when it comes to "International Law". Do the enemies of Israel respect international law? Do they respect international law in the treatment of their own citizens?

For 2,000 yrs there was no conflict between Jews and Muslims in Palestine. Palestine was inhabited by Palestinian Arabs. In 1850 these consisted of approximately 400,000 Muslims,75,000 Christians,and 25,000 Jews. For centuries these groups had lived in harmony:80 percent Muslim,15 percent Christian, 5 percent Jewish.
<snip>
122 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 686 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
3,645 Palestinians and 1,058 Israelis have been killed since September 29, 2000. 7,307 Israelis and 28,980 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.
The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

64 UN Resolutions against Israel:
UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992
Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

 

[cnredd]

64 UN Resolutions against Israel:
UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992
Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

And the resolutions against Palestinians by the UN are?...(crickets chirping)

Tells me all I need to know about the UN....

 

[GarzaUK]

Hate to tell ya Garz....They don't WANT a state next to, around, or connected to Israel...They want to push Israelis so far west that they all fall into the Meditaranian and die...anything less is unacceptable...

That is there ONLY goal...To see Isreal demolished...not decreased in military...not decreased in land mass....DESTROYED...

All Arab lands surrounding Israel attacked the second they were declared a soveriegn nation...this was long before the US ever gave them a penny. The fact that the US helps is used as a crutch for those against Israel...They hate us because, through our aid, we prevent them from killing over 10 million people...

What a world we live in, eh? "Let's just get rid of a whole race and everything will be fine."

Some Palestinians want this, yeah you are right in that respects. But the majority of the Palestinians know that this is impossible, the majority of the Arab world knows that this is impossible. I think that no matter how much they dislike it, they accept Israel will always be there in the Middle East. The real question is why doesn't Israel let the Palestinains have their own state - they had one before the end of WW2.
This "Because God give us this land" crap doesn't wash with me.

Don't get me wrong the Jewish deserve their own state with what they went through in the holocost. But jesus, the Palestinians didn't do it to them.

As soon as Israel landed they drove the Palestinians out of their homes, drove them into ghettos. And now they are building walls around those ghettos, where Palestinians are rarely allowed to leave. Is this what democratic nations do?

 

[GarzaUK]

The source of all the problems in the Middle East is Islamic fundamentalism. Israel is just a target. You forget that Israel "invaded" after being attacked....how many times? ....and by how many nations?

There's nothing wrong with a democracy being biased torwards another democracy. Maybe the terrorists should try democracy instead of civilian slaughter....instead than us selling out Israel for the glory of Allah. I guarantee you we would become their buddies.

You seem to have a very selective memory when it comes to "International Law". Do the enemies of Israel respect international law? Do they respect international law in the treatment of their own citizens?

The only reason a Palestinian State does not exist is because until very recently, Palestinians refused to accept Israel's right to exist. I suppose that if the goal of every inhabitant of Northern Ireland were to exterminate the Britons from the face of the earth you would feel very differently about them, wouldn't you?

Well to your last question, I live in Northern Ireland :smile: , and the IRA tried to exterminate us from Northern Ireland for 30 years - it didn't work. Thats why they gave up.

Does Israel respect international law? Look at Robins list.

Islamic fundamentalism is A problem of the middle east, yep that is true. But that is born out of anger for the Israeli treatment of the Palistinains and Israel presence itself.
That's the truth about why 9/11 happened, because of Israel. If they wanted to attack freedom, democracy and liberal life, Europe is a way easier target than the US.

 

[DivineComedy]

And the resolutions against Palestinians by the UN are?...(crickets chirping)

Tells me all I need to know about the UN....

Crickets chirping? I love it.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

That sound familiar? It is no reason that you hear crickets chirping!

The PLO and Hamas Charter both violated UN resolution 242, as the PLO’s terror existed prior to 242, and the Secretary-General obviously considers Hamas a viable negotiating partner:

“The Secretary-General strongly condemns Israel’s assassination of Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, which resulted in the deaths of eight others. He is concerned that such an action would lead to further bloodshed and death and acts of revenge and retaliation. He reiterates that extrajudicial killings are against international law and calls on the Government of Israel to immediately end this practice. The only way to halt an escalation in the violence is for the parties to work towards a viable negotiating process aimed at a just, lasting and comprehensive settlement.” http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/sgsm9210.doc.htm

Hamas called themselves “soldiers,” what a laugh, but to the UN they are off limits because of their women‘s skirts; Hitler would love this United Nations (of tyrants too).

This is so rich.

The Israelis had the guts of men to declare independence, and what stopped the Palestinians from having those early borders that made Israel literally look like a peanut?

“[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

“[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”

The ambushing creed hides behind women’s skirts for protection and dresses like women when they blow up pizza parlors, buses full of students, and the Geneva Convention following Israeli military (that has a command, wears a uniform recognizable from a distance, and carries arms openly). Who can you trust? Yes hold that sword hand up to say “hello,” and shake that good looking Jewish hand, but to be safe require the stinking ambushing creed and their “liberal” sympathizers to disrobe their ugly women on approach. Because the dishonorable and effeminate Arab League can not fight like men they support terrorism, and what else should we expect from the squat to urinate Palestinians?

 

[vergiss]

For the love of God, nefarious_plot... it's Israel. I corrected you once, are you deliberately being stupid? Why should people believe a word you say when you are about as coherant as my baby cousin?

What are your sources, anyway? www.jewishconspiracy.org? :lol:

 

[Surenderer]

And the resolutions against Palestinians by the UN are?...(crickets chirping)

Tells me all I need to know about the UN....

Please remember that the U.N. make up the other 94% of the World's population.......Hopefully you arent as arrogant to think that that we (as 6%) are right and the rest are wrong...or somehow being devious.....whats the U.N. going to do anyway....pass a resoulution against throwing rocks? they do as does anyone else condemn suicide bombings....those arent state sanctioned like Israeli violence is



peace

 

[nefarious_plot]

Isreal has nothign to dow ith bible. The radical religous American needs to lern hisotry and to learn that the stories in the bible are ont hidotrical events or literal. Human beings did wonder a dessret for 40 years. And just cause I call the new hardee's a Mc Donalds doesnt make it one. Isrealis are not heebrews and the country isreal is not the kingdom of Isreal in the bible.


Religous fanatics whether they be jewish muslim Christian or pagan have no legal entitlement to land based on any of there fictitous texts. Boible Torah Koran..whatever none of them are valid in law.

The Americans manifest destiny a preverse decree used to conguer the natives seems to be stuck in American minds as a perfectly reasonable and legal notion. But if anybody came and tried to throw you off your land youd would go insane. Nobdy will tollerate your double standards. America and isreal are the infants of the world that need to learn the word "no".

 

[Surenderer]

Crickets chirping? I love it.

“[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

“[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”

Stop quoting Koranic Surah's if you dont understand them.....the ones you posted are for the specific Wars the Muslims were fighting at the time.....one of them even stated that it was refering to idolaters .....which the Jews are not....and the 2nd one refers to people who dont believe in God (same people) which the Jews do

 

[cnredd]

Please remember that the U.N. make up the other 94% of the World's population.......Hopefully you arent as arrogant to think that that we (as 6%) are right and the rest are wrong...or somehow being devious.....whats the U.N. going to do anyway....pass a resoulution against throwing rocks? they do as does anyone else condemn suicide bombings....those arent state sanctioned like Israeli violence is



peace

Are you gonna make me throw out all 8000 sources for the "state sanctioned"(PLO-Arafat) attacks on Israel? Does a certain "brigade" come to mind?

The UN should have a banner out front saying "F Israel!"...

The "Road Map" can't get out of the starting gate because the first step is for certain Palestinian organizations to disarm...That can only be done through their leadership, and they are unwilling to let that happen.
Why?...Because they don't want peace...

 

[cnredd]

The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

And, of course, since the Arab regimes in the region are SOOOOO for the Palestinian people, they SURELY would be backing up their "brethren" monetarily as the US does with Israel...Let's see what they do to help....

Saudi Arabia - a mere pittance
Jordan - a smack on the back
Syria - a handshake and a smile
Egypt - Christmas cards
Iran - a 1972 Russian rifle(with manual)
Iraq(Saddam) - cash, but you gotta prove someone in your family killed a Jew.
Yemen - gift certificate, good for two, at a participating Taco Bell.

If I were a Palestinian, I'd be pissed at my Arab "brothers" for throwing out all of this "We got your back" crap without handing out the goods.

 

[vergiss]

If they wanted to attack freedom, democracy and liberal life, Europe is a way easier target than the US.

Um, mate? They attacked London and Madrid - both European cities. Not to mention Bali, which was aimed mostly at Australian tourists. So that proves that wrong.

 

[GarzaUK]

Um, mate? They attacked London and Madrid - both European cities. Not to mention Bali, which was aimed mostly at Australian tourists. So that proves that wrong.

Yes they did. But why did they attack America first? Because of their biased support and arming of Israel (why did Israel need nukes? seriously). Why did Madrid and London get bombed? For supporting Bush's war on terror.
Same with Austrailia in Bali.

 

[Surenderer]

Are you gonna make me throw out all 8000 sources for the "state sanctioned"(PLO-Arafat) attacks on Israel? Does a certain "brigade" come to mind?

The UN should have a banner out front saying "F Israel!"...

The "Road Map" can't get out of the starting gate because the first step is for certain Palestinian organizations to disarm...That can only be done through their leadership, and they are unwilling to let that happen.
Why?...Because they don't want peace...

So you are saying again that the whole world (the other 94%) is saying "F" Israel? why would they say that? Doesnt sound logical to me......but I dont exempt Palestine for their irresponsible causes in the current situation(you know I have posted that before)...but to blame all the problems on just Palestine is irresponsible....if someone came over to your house and said that they were moving in with or without your approval and you fought them by any means would you be wrong? Suppose all they left you to live in was your closet? Also if after many years they said "ok you can have your Living Room back" would you be satisfied?....not saying whether it's right or wrong but thats how the Palestinians see things...<shrug>


peace

 

[Surenderer]

And, of course, since the Arab regimes in the region are SOOOOO for the Palestinian people, they SURELY would be backing up their "brethren" monetarily as the US does with Israel...Let's see what they do to help....

Saudi Arabia - a mere pittance
Jordan - a smack on the back
Syria - a handshake and a smile
Egypt - Christmas cards
Iran - a 1972 Russian rifle(with manual)
Iraq(Saddam) - cash, but you gotta prove someone in your family killed a Jew.
Yemen - gift certificate, good for two, at a participating Taco Bell.

If I were a Palestinian, I'd be pissed at my Arab "brothers" for throwing out all of this "We got your back" crap without handing out the goods.

All U.S. puppet regimes(except Iran and we see the pressure put on them because of it).......but I dont blame the U.S. for that I blame the Arabs for standing for it


peace

 

[vergiss]

Yes they did. But why did they attack America first? Because of their biased support and arming of Israel (why did Israel need nukes? seriously). Why did Madrid and London get bombed? For supporting Bush's war on terror.
Same with Austrailia in Bali.

Wrong! By the time Bali occurred, the war in Iraq hadn't even begun. So there goes that argument.

If the US has nukes, why shouldn't Israel? Would you give them to Iran instead?

 

[GarzaUK]

Wrong! By the time Bali occurred, the war in Iraq hadn't even begun. So there goes that argument.

If the US has nukes, why shouldn't Israel? Would you give them to Iran instead?

Sorry did I mention Iraq? Nope. I said after 9/11. I beleive Austrailia was involved in Afganistan.

If the US has nukes why not Iran? Why not Argentina or Brazil? Why not let everyone have nukes?

 

[vergiss]

Oh, who gives a sod about Afghanistan? You would have been happy for the US and co. to sit on its arse and ignore the real threat (as opposed to Iraq) after 9/11? :lol:

Yes, why not? At least it'd stop people from using them, for fear of bombs in return. Although the problem with Iran is the high possibility they'd give them to terrorists... who would have no hesitation in using them. After, al-Qaeda hardly has a return address.

 

[robin]

And, of course, since the Arab regimes in the region are SOOOOO for the Palestinian people, they SURELY would be backing up their "brethren" monetarily as the US does with Israel...Let's see what they do to help....

Saudi Arabia - a mere pittance
Jordan - a smack on the back
Syria - a handshake and a smile
Egypt - Christmas cards
Iran - a 1972 Russian rifle(with manual)
Iraq(Saddam) - cash, but you gotta prove someone in your family killed a Jew.
Yemen - gift certificate, good for two, at a participating Taco Bell.

If I were a Palestinian, I'd be pissed at my Arab "brothers" for throwing out all of this "We got your back" crap without handing out the goods.

So even Arabs won't ally themselves in any material sense to the Palestinians so why do you ally yourself with Israel then ?