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Will the [UK] ever have a black Prime Minister?

How would we know? We're not psychics. And this isnt the Nazi Empire. So a good guess would be "Yes"?
 
So - minorities can't be president for some reason?
You must be in the majority for it to be conceivable or acceptable?

I don't think the overall % of the population should matter.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
So - minorities can't be president for some reason?
You must be in the majority for it to be conceivable or acceptable?

I don't think the overall % of the population should matter.
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I dont see the point in this question, did you expect a debate? :confused:

There's absolutely no reason for there not to be a black PM.
 
liblady said:
i'm an accountant, actually.
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(thats Irony).

fairly small segment of the population.
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We have blacks in parliament so...
 
MetalGear said:
I dont see the point in this question, did you expect a debate? :confused:

There's absolutely no reason for there not to be a black PM.
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Oh, no, I'm sorry - I left off the quote that I plucked from a comment that followed the article. :D I wasn't replying to you.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
So - minorities can't be president for some reason?
You must be in the majority for it to be conceivable or acceptable?

I don't think the overall % of the population should matter.
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i think you are replying to me......and my point is that while of course a black pm could be elected, the odds are smaller if the black % of the population is smaller. maybe in 20 years that won't matter, but i think it does now.
 
liblady said:
i think you are replying to me......and my point is that while of course a black pm could be elected, the odds are smaller if the black % of the population is smaller. maybe in 20 years that won't matter, but i think it does now.
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The missing quote that I was responding to.
Sorry for the confusion!

What this means in practical terms is that ethnic minorities will have a harder time collectively organizing and creating the kind of infrastructure that would benefit a visible minority candidate nationally. While this is problematic, I suspect it is also part of the reason Canada does not have the same kind of ethnic tensions you see in the US. Where you have two big groups you tend to have more conflict than with many small ones (and we do see conflict in Canada between the two big groups - French and English).
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I really messed this thread up - the title should read Canadian, not UK - I had several articles on this subject and UK was one - but I linked to the Canadian one.

thread fail :) LOL
 
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There's no reason whatever why the UK couldn't have a non-white PM. According to the 2001 census, 7.9% of the UK population is non-white. That's somewhat greater than the proportion of the UK population that's Welsh, 4-5% less than the proportion of the UK that's Scottish. We've had 7 Scottish and 1 Welsh PMs already, no reason we shouldn't have a non-white one.
 
Whereas US elections are decided by the people - the Prime Minister is not directly elected by the people, the Prime Minister is selected by the cabinet and is of the dominate party that holds the majority seat at that time.

I think it actually means something when the people within the system have the control and hand and chose not to.
Whereas in the US it's up to the individual candidate to get involved with politics and pursue a lengthy career, build rapport and gain support before campaigning for any seat is a possibility.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
The missing quote that I was responding to.
Sorry for the confusion!



I really messed this thread up - the title should read Canadian, not UK - I had several articles on this subject and UK was one - but I linked to the Canadian one.

thread fail :) LOL
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As for Canada eventually yes we will

But I expect that we will more likely have a Chinese or East Indian PM before an African PM

Those of Chinese/East Indian ethnicity tend to be more actively involved in politics on a party level then those of African ethnicity in Canada.

We have I believe far more ethnically east indian MP's then ethnically African MP's. Which in my opinion would result in an east indian PM before a african PM for Canada.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Whereas US elections are decided by the people - the Prime Minister is not directly elected by the people, the Prime Minister is selected by the cabinet and is of the dominate party that holds the majority seat at that time.

I think it actually means something when the people within the system have the control and hand and chose not to.
Whereas in the US it's up to the individual candidate to get involved with politics and pursue a lengthy career, build rapport and gain support before campaigning for any seat is a possibility.
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The beauty of a Prime Ministerial system over a Presidential system is that it recognises that no one person can run a country or a government. It is always a team effort and, ideally, a team that is a sum of a huge range of opinions and differing abilities. Asking people to vote for a party rather than an individual, because a party is a more diffuse and conceptual idea, forces people to look beyond personality and at the actual policies a party intends to implement.

The worst possible choice you can give an electorate is to say, "this person looks attractive, has an attractive family and is someone like you". A presidential system encourages concentration on the superficial, the artificial and the downright misleading. An election should be about electing a government, not a Barbie doll who then appoints people who have never been subject to public approval and have not themselves received any popular mandate.
 
Yes in another 5 billion years from now,when the sun goes down and we will
all be black.haha.

mikeey
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Whereas US elections are decided by the people - the Prime Minister is not directly elected by the people, the Prime Minister is selected by the cabinet and is of the dominate party that holds the majority seat at that time.

I think it actually means something when the people within the system have the control and hand and chose not to.
Whereas in the US it's up to the individual candidate to get involved with politics and pursue a lengthy career, build rapport and gain support before campaigning for any seat is a possibility.
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The UK Prime Minister has first to win selection to stand for election by the local branch of their party, for a particular constituency, and win election by the people as the local MP. They then have to be elected by his/her peers (other MP's, not Lords!) as the "first among equals" of the winning party. He/she will then appoint his/her cabinet from said group of elected MP's
Nobody gets to that point without developing a network of support over at least a decade, and more usually longer.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Will we ever have a black prime minister? - Beyond The Commons - Macleans.ca

I came across this while searching info for a thread and thought it was interesting - something I hadn't even thought of.
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Who fu**ing cares if the prime minister is white/black/yellow/orange/brown/whatever. Lets just hope there is a better prime minister, no matter what colour, and lets hope people can look beyond such things as colour, which is obviously still a big issue in the US.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Who fu**ing cares if the prime minister is white/black/yellow/orange/brown/whatever. Lets just hope there is a better prime minister, no matter what colour, and lets hope people can look beyond such things as colour, which is obviously still a big issue in the US.
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........:rofl

I love Europe and our Union, Maxie. But an intelligent, rational politician possesses the ability to look at oneself and think "we are no better than them. We need to improve".
This statement proves you are completely incapable of self criticism and that's why we will never move ahead as a Union.
 
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