Will GOP uphold the Rule of Law when......

[The Mark]

The left will predict anything they can that is anti-Trump. That's a no brainer.

I was assuming that those predicting were actually attempting to predict, and not wishing.

 

[Moderate Right]

wrong comparison.

does the "saturday night massacre" ring any bells

it's an exact comparison but I understand why you would want to deflect.

 

[Moderate Right]

I was assuming that those predicting were actually attempting to predict, and not wishing.

Doesn't have anything to do with predicting or wishing. It has to do with TDS.

 

[The Mark]

Doesn't have anything to do with predicting or wishing. It has to do with TDS.

Look, you said people keep predicting Trump will be taken down by the Mueller investigation, or some such.

I was trying to present a reasoning as to why they keep predicting it.

You want it to be because they hate Trump, I understand.

But I don't think it's only that.

 

[Moderate Right]

Look, you said people keep predicting Trump will be taken down by the Mueller investigation, or some such.

I was trying to present a reasoning as to why they keep predicting it.

You want it to be because they hate Trump, I understand.

But I don't think it's only that.

Well, it might not be only that with everyone but with many on the left it is a case of 100% TDS. I mean we are talking about haymarket here. He is TDS right down to the bone. I'm not saying that you're wrong with virtually everyone but the huge majority on the left are afflicted with TDS, including the MSM.

 

[jet57]

It appears more than ever that Trump is hellbent on getting rid of Mueller and shutting down the investigation as it gets closer and closer and closer to him and his allegedly crooked business interests and Russian collision.

One sacred principle of our nation is that that no person is above the law. The Rule of Law applies to everyone equally from the highest and most powerful to the weakest among our citizenry.

If Trump succeeds and gets rid of Mueller, the big question will be what the Republicans in Congress do about it? In short, will they stand up and do something to empower Mueller to continue or even impeach Trump for his violation of the rule of law........... or will they simply offer some platitudes and soft criticism and basically sit on their thumbs and do nothing?

Of course the Republicans will defend Trump no matter what: he's the key to their uninterrupted agenda.

 

[haymarket]

Wouldn't be a constitutional crisis in any way. Was there a constitutional crisis when Bill Clinton was impeached? Was there a constitutional crisis during the Nixon/Watergate thing? You're just purposely stirring up the pot by proclaiming the future for rabid partisan reasons.

If the Republicans refuse to support Mueller and the investigation and Trump is allowed to fire the very people investigating him, it is indeed a constitutional crisis as it places the president above the law and blatantly giving the middle finger to the nation.... and getting away with it. Check and balances are destroyed and the nation is in deep crisis.

Unless of course you want an authoritarian at the head of our government without checks and balances. Then - for those - it will be more than acceptable that the president was allowed to publicly defecate upon the Constitution and get away with it .

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Americans happily overlook PNAC, a (former) US terrorist organization, some of whom are a who's who of the GOP, John Bolton, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, Elliott Abrams, Steve Forbes, Scooter Libby, and Dan Quayle, among others.

Basically PNAC was a group of chicken hawks that supported 'fake wars' in which other American's children would die fighting.

Government Involvement in 9/11

PNAC & GW Bush accomplished their directive; to foist a terrible tragedy upon America, to place the American military squarely in the Middle East on a permanent basis, and to permanently destabilize the Middle East for profit$.

I tend to believe them, however, when they say "it's nothing personal, it's just business".
That doesn't mean that I forgive them, it just means that I understand that they really only saw the risks of these attacks as a means to an end, and it didn't occur to them that the cost would be in terms of human tragedy.
Most powerful people of immense wealth almost never think in those terms.
Why would they? After all, most of them have lived most of their lives shielded from consequences.

When you get to live a life like that, things like human consequences all seem detached, like they are just playing out on a small screen somewhere on the other side of the room, and you can afford to hit the MUTE button whenever you like.
This is especially true for the privileged children who grew up to be chickenhawks.

So, for all those reasons, and more, I really do believe that 9/11 was, at least for them, nothing more than a "business decision".

 

[cuban smokes]

I tend to believe them, however, when they say "it's nothing personal, it's just business".
That doesn't mean that I forgive them, it just means that I understand that they really only saw the risks of these attacks as a means to an end, and it didn't occur to them that the cost would be in terms of human tragedy.
Most powerful people of immense wealth almost never think in those terms.
Why would they? After all, most of them have lived most of their lives shielded from consequences.

When you get to live a life like that, things like human consequences all seem detached, like they are just playing out on a small screen somewhere on the other side of the room, and you can afford to hit the MUTE button whenever you like.
This is especially true for the privileged children who grew up to be chickenhawks.

So, for all those reasons, and more, I really do believe that 9/11 was, at least for them, nothing more than a "business decision".

Yes, those Americans taking American lives (and others) to propagate wars is only a business decision, to their minds; I understand how the GOP works.

 

[Perotista]

It appears more than ever that Trump is hellbent on getting rid of Mueller and shutting down the investigation as it gets closer and closer and closer to him and his allegedly crooked business interests and Russian collision.

One sacred principle of our nation is that that no person is above the law. The Rule of Law applies to everyone equally from the highest and most powerful to the weakest among our citizenry.

If Trump succeeds and gets rid of Mueller, the big question will be what the Republicans in Congress do about it? In short, will they stand up and do something to empower Mueller to continue or even impeach Trump for his violation of the rule of law........... or will they simply offer some platitudes and soft criticism and basically sit on their thumbs and do nothing?

I'm not sure how the Republicans in congress would react. I do feel that firing Mueller would be the biggest mistake Trump ever made. What is needed is for everyone to cool their heels and wait on Mueller's final report. The problem is Democrats assume Mueller will find Trump guilty. He might and again he might not. Trump is his own worst enemy here. If he is innocent, then he should keep his big mouth shut and let Mueller do his job. I don't know what Mueller will find, I don't think anyone else does either. But most has just assumed he will find trump guilty. What will happen if he doesn't? Will the Democrats accept that? I don't think so.

I don't think Trumpers will accept it either if Mueller finds Trump guilty. there are interesting times ahead.

 

[Superfly]

glad to hear that.

rare to hear that

 

[Superfly]

Give me one example where you think the "intelligentsia" did not fail, and also where the law was not rotted out and trust in government was promoted instead.
Two part question seeking two examples.

He just likes using that word "intelligentsia." I've seen him use it probably 20 times on here, and there are doctors, lawyers and college professors on here who never use that word.

 

[Mach]

I think enough will buckle and stop-gap the issue as minimally as they can, if that were to occur.

The law is currently abusive and corrupt, upholding the law as it is is supporting abuse and corruption.

Best post of the week.

I like how you didn't even bother to qualify "upholding the law". Just all of it man, like, all laws are abusive and corrupted, we need to like, abuse and corrupt them to restore....*puff*, you know, like normalacy and stuff.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Best post of the week.

I like how you didn't even bother to qualify "upholding the law". Just all of it man, like, all laws are abusive and corrupted, we need to like, abuse and corrupt them to restore....*puff*, you know, like normalacy and stuff.

The law must be good and fair and right with-in some bounds of giving a **** enough to try to do it right before I will Entertain claims that it must be used to get rid of the parasite.

 

[lurchadams]

i don't think the republican party cares about the rule of law.

they are seemingly willing to abandon upholding the laws of this country in their desire to maintain their political power

Republicans care about the rule of law the same way evangelicals care about morality. When you're in office and there's an "R" after your name, you get unlimited mulligans.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I'm not sure how the Republicans in congress would react. I do feel that firing Mueller would be the biggest mistake Trump ever made. What is needed is for everyone to cool their heels and wait on Mueller's final report. The problem is Democrats assume Mueller will find Trump guilty. He might and again he might not. Trump is his own worst enemy here. If he is innocent, then he should keep his big mouth shut and let Mueller do his job. I don't know what Mueller will find, I don't think anyone else does either. But most has just assumed he will find trump guilty. What will happen if he doesn't? Will the Democrats accept that? I don't think so.

I don't think Trumpers will accept it either if Mueller finds Trump guilty. there are interesting times ahead.

See, that's the thing, I DO NOT believe that "all Republicans are terrible people" at all, I've never believed that in my entire life.
I look at a guy like Mueller and I think that here is a very very moral guy, a straight shooter, someone who has "played it by the book 100 percent his entire life".
Does anyone else understand how goddam important that is when you work for the FBI?
Their entire raison d'etre is centered around "playing it by the book" despite the J. Edgar cult of personality that dominated them for so long.
The rank and file FBI men weren't all like J. Edgar Hoover, they were the G-men who believed in playing it straight.
They ate by the book, they took their dump by the book, they mowed their lawns by the book and they busted up the organized crime families by the book.

And the elegance of a guy like Mueller is that he isn't leaking, he isn't playing to the media, he isn't polishing his epaulets and he isn't garnering advance book deals. He wants to "do the right thing for the right reasons" because for guys like Mueller, upholding the law IS the hero thing to do and being the guy that upholds the law is what it means to be the hero.
So Mueller's satisfaction is in knowing that he is playing it by the book and upholding the law.

And if that IS what he's doing, and he can't make the case against Trump, then I have to accept it.

 

[Perotista]

See, that's the thing, I DO NOT believe that "all Republicans are terrible people" at all, I've never believed that in my entire life.
I look at a guy like Mueller and I think that here is a very very moral guy, a straight shooter, someone who has "played it by the book 100 percent his entire life".
Does anyone else understand how goddam important that is when you work for the FBI?
Their entire raison d'etre is centered around "playing it by the book" despite the J. Edgar cult of personality that dominated them for so long.
The rank and file FBI men weren't all like J. Edgar Hoover, they were the G-men who believed in playing it straight.
They ate by the book, they took their dump by the book, they mowed their lawns by the book and they busted up the organized crime families by the book.

And the elegance of a guy like Mueller is that he isn't leaking, he isn't playing to the media, he isn't polishing his epaulets and he isn't garnering advance book deals. He wants to "do the right thing for the right reasons" because for guys like Mueller, upholding the law IS the hero thing to do and being the guy that upholds the law is what it means to be the hero.
So Mueller's satisfaction is in knowing that he is playing it by the book and upholding the law.

And if that IS what he's doing, and he can't make the case against Trump, then I have to accept it.

For pretty much the reasons you laid out is why I haven't jumped on the for or against Trump bandwagons. I'm perfectly content to wait on Mueller's final report and go from there. I don't trust Republicans, I don't trust Democrats and I certainly don't trust Trump. In fact there is hardly anyone in D.C. I do trust. Mueller is one of a handful and the others aren't politicians.

 

[Linc]

Because it is my right to discuss this now.

He and the ones who follow him have no idea if it WON'T happen.
Since the current CiC always attacks names like Mueller before firing them, we're already in uncharted territory.
Everyone knows this, though everyone won't admit that we will go down a road of disaster if Mueller/USA are taken out.

These people don't even yet realize what a gift a most necessary President Pence will be to the GOP.
(I left out the 2018 election gift President Pence would be to GOPs, whether they admit they're a GOP or not)

Now is not the time to trash VP Pence from the left.
This is a time for both tribes to take the high road, once we have a President Pence ...

 

[Mycroft]

It appears more than ever that Trump is hellbent on getting rid of Mueller and shutting down the investigation as it gets closer and closer and closer to him and his allegedly crooked business interests and Russian collision.

One sacred principle of our nation is that that no person is above the law. The Rule of Law applies to everyone equally from the highest and most powerful to the weakest among our citizenry.

If Trump succeeds and gets rid of Mueller, the big question will be what the Republicans in Congress do about it? In short, will they stand up and do something to empower Mueller to continue or even impeach Trump for his violation of the rule of law........... or will they simply offer some platitudes and soft criticism and basically sit on their thumbs and do nothing?

What makes you think Trump is "hellbent on getting rid of Mueller"? Has he said he is?

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

I agree that Trump and his administration is abusive and corrupt and that is why the Rule of Law must be upheld. If Trump wants to pretend the process itself was corrupt, he can make that case at his trial. But the law must be upheld as it now stands if it is to mean anything .

That is fine unless you are the one being railroaded. Following the law is fine as long as it is not you that drowns to prove your innocence. How many more years will this witch hunt go on.

 

[Hawkeye10]

He just likes using that word "intelligentsia." I've seen him use it probably 20 times on here, and there are doctors, lawyers and college professors on here who never use that word.

I use it because it is the best word for the job.

I used to use Elite, and make no mistake, it my telling I am smarter than most, which accounts for why I am right so often.

Always listen to the right people, people should be able to learn that by the age of 13, but so few do which has a lot to do with Americas very ill health.

 

[haymarket]

What makes you think Trump is "hellbent on getting rid of Mueller"? Has he said he is?

A deluge of news reports from credible sources.

 

[haymarket]

That is fine unless you are the one being railroaded. Following the law is fine as long as it is not you that drowns to prove your innocence. How many more years will this witch hunt go on.

Until the witch is brought to justice.

 

[Mycroft]

A deluge of news reports from credible sources.

What credible sources? (unnamed sources are not credible)

 

[haymarket]

What credible sources? (unnamed sources are not credible)

Sources that are trustworthy and have a great track record .... NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and guess what ... ever FOX NEWS the semiofficial state network of the Trump administration has had stories speculating about it over the last two days.

I just watched the first half of Morning Joe and its been a heavily covered topic this morning.

I am rather surprised you would not have seen this yourself.

But it matters not if that is not enough for you since it is a national subject and is fit for discussion here.