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Why you need an AR 15

chuckiechan said:
Nooooo...
Shotguns are a subsonic “boom”, rifles are a ear shattering “crack”.
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They say firearms are so loud indoors you really need a set of ear defenders before opening fire as the sheer loudness is both deafening and disorienting

I can only say the 12 bore shotgun I fired was LOUD compared to a 5.56mm rifle but that was outdoors both times.


Funny note: having watched movies, I thought artillery went Boom. When I got to Vietnam, I learned they went “crack” like one big assed 30.06. Shocked the crap out of me!
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I spent some time at the Royal Artillery camp at Larkhill. In the middle of the night I was awoken by a live practice in the distance and it definitely makes a boom sound from distance.
God knows how many artillerymen lost their hearing in wars like WWI though

What guns did you use ?
 
rich2018 said:
they say firearms are so loud indoors you really need a set of ear defenders before opening fire as the sheer loudness is both deafening and disorienting

i can only say the 12 bore shotgun i fired was loud compared to a 5.56mm rifle but that was outdoors both times.




I spent some time at the royal artillery camp at larkhill. In the middle of the night i was awoken by a live practice in the distance and it definitely makes a boom sound from distance.
God knows how many artillerymen lost their hearing in wars like wwi though

what guns did you use ?
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m-14, m-16.
 
I went through my gun phase and thankfully out grew it. I used to shoot a bow both compound and recurve and absolutely loved it. No ammunition expense, no gun range fees, no noise. I found it much more relaxing and physical which I absolutely loved. I could set up a target just about anywhere and shoot my bow. I would attract much attention as it’s not noisy or scary. But hey if you have to make noise to feel like a tough guy by all means have at it. Not my thing.


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Rich2018 said:
When I was in the army, we would wear the brighter colored jungle pants 'cause they were thinner and with a nylon content and so dried much faster.
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We had summer and winter bdus.
 
Rich2018 said:
They say firearms are so loud indoors you really need a set of ear defenders before opening fire as the sheer loudness is both deafening and disorienting

I can only say the 12 bore shotgun I fired was LOUD compared to a 5.56mm rifle but that was outdoors both times.




I spent some time at the Royal Artillery camp at Larkhill. In the middle of the night I was awoken by a live practice in the distance and it definitely makes a boom sound from distance.
God knows how many artillerymen lost their hearing in wars like WWI though

What guns did you use ?
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I accidentally discharged a shotgun indoors. Wasn’t that loud at all. A muffled pop. My ears rang a little my neighbor’s didn’t even hear it. TV exaggerates how loud guns are. Of course many guns firing at once is a different story. But it did make me wonder how many people shoot themselves indoors and nobody even hears it.


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ecofarm said:
We had summer and winter bdus.
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We didn't but the issue combat pants had a cotton liner and took ages to dry.


We took to wearing "jungles" even in Winter.

I was persuaded to wear ladies pantyhose (we called them tights) or women's cotton skin tight leggings when it was really cold.

Amazing how much warmer you felt with pantyhose on underneath. Some soldiers swore they prevented blister too.
 
Razorsedge64 said:
I accidentally discharged a shotgun indoors. Wasn’t that loud at all. A muffled pop. My ears rang a little my neighbor’s didn’t even hear it. TV exaggerates how loud guns are. Of course many guns firing at once is a different story. But it did make me wonder how many people shoot themselves indoors and nobody even hears it.


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WOW because all you hear gun trainers say is that you won't believe how loud a gun is indoors.

All I can say is a 12 bore side by side shotgun, fired outdoors, seemed to sound louder than my SA-80 5.56mm assault rifle.
 
Rich2018 said:
We didn't but the issue combat pants had a cotton liner and took ages to dry.


We took to wearing "jungles" even in Winter.

I was persuaded to wear ladies pantyhose (we called them tights) or women's cotton skin tight leggings when it was really cold.

Amazing how much warmer you felt with pantyhose on underneath. Some soldiers swore they prevented blister too.
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Nylons prevent blisters with a sock over them. One can use footies. Totally prevents blisters. We did 12 mile walks every month, would use them with new boots.

Our summers were very light and after days in the Mojave the shirt stood on its own, a skeletal structure of salt.
 
ecofarm said:
Nylons prevent blisters with a sock over them. One can use footies. Totally prevents blisters. We did 12 mile walks every month, would use them with new boots.

Our summers were very light and after days in the Mojave the shirt stood on its own, a skeletal structure of salt.
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The beauty of the British "jungle" jacket was that it had no waist pockets, so you could wear it as a jacket in warm weather, or tuck it in any wear it as a shirt with a heavier jacket over it.

The US BDU seemed to have those useless flat pockets you couldn't actually put anything useful in.
 
Rich2018 said:
The beauty of the British "jungle" jacket was that it had no waist pockets, so you could wear it as a jacket in warm weather, or tuck it in any wear it as a shirt with a heavier jacket over it.

The US BDU seemed to have those useless flat pockets you couldn't actually put anything useful in.
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Our winter bdus were also perfect for conditions and we had gore-tex cold weather gear.
 
Airyaman said:
Aiming in what way? Point and click, that's what an AR-15 is good for. Point it in the general direction of the target you want to damage, and pull the trigger, multiple times. It really is much easier with a shortish 14-15" barrel, high rate of fire, and largish capacity magazine. That's why the AR-15 is popular in mass shootings, and not so much on the deer hunting circuit.

It's physics.
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If you point in the general direction of the target you will miss. It appears that you don't know much about marksmaship.
 
it's just me said:
If you point in the general direction of the target you will miss. It appears that you don't know much about marksmaship.
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Not in fairly close quarters with a semi-automatic rifle with 30 rounds.
 
ecofarm said:
Our winter bdus were also perfect for conditions and we had gore-tex cold weather gear.
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As I was leaving the army started issuing Goretex.

Before we had nylon waterproofs that were frowned on - OK on the range but not on exercise, they were a pain to put on and take off too.

In the infantry we had to wear waterproof jackets under our regular combat jacket on exercise.
 
Rich2018 said:
As I was leaving the army started issuing Goretex.

Before we had nylon waterproofs that were frowned on - OK on the range but not on exercise, they were a pain to put on and take off too.

In the infantry we had to wear waterproof jackets under our regular combat jacket on exercise.
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We had goretex top and bottom that could be added or removed in a couple seconds. If it was warm, we didn't care about rain it was just heavy.
 
PirateMk1 said:
The point being the civilian population at large was better armed than the government at the time and that the Second Amendment was not limited to just personal arms.
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Considering that the US government at the time was literally a newborn without any time— or reason— to have warships, that’s pretty much meaningless.
 
ecofarm said:
We had goretex top and bottom that could be added or removed in a couple seconds. If it was warm, we didn't care about rain it was just heavy.
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I wish we'd had combat uniforms with Goretex properties.

In the UK, you can get that drizzly rain that goes on for days at a time.

Eventually everything gets wet.
 
Rich2018 said:
I wish we'd had combat uniforms with Goretex properties.

In the UK, you can get that drizzly rain that goes on for days at a time.

Eventually everything gets wet.
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North Carolina summers aren't bad. They can keep the winters.
 
Rich2018 said:
I was there May-June 1996 with the British 5th Airborne Bde

We were first based at Cherry Point and then drove to Ft Bragg.
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A couple years after me. Remember the unit you worked with?

I'm surprised they hadn't renamed it. ;)
 
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