Why You Don’t Know Obama Has Created 4.5 Million Jobs

[tres borrachos]

Then when times are bad and jobs are lost, as long as you continue to believe there's nothing Obama did to lose those jobs, I don't have a problem. Like I said, my problem comes in when people blame someone (in this case Obama) when jobs are lost and then claim he has no power over jobs when they are being gained.

A President doesn't create jobs. A President doesn't lose jobs. I don't blame Obama, nor do I credit Obama. I don't think people understand a President's job, nor do most people understand how an economy works. But it sounds good to blame and/or credit those who have zero to do with it.

 

[calamity]

You know what is wrong with people who see the world as simply black and white? They end up arguing with themselves. Especially when they assume something that is wrong, even after it has been pointed out. Great list though. Here's another great list.

My list is better since I created it. Yours is just C&P. Meh. Anyone can do that.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm sorry. Maybe I missed the part where calling someone "easily manipulated" was a compliment.

It's not. But not being a compliment doesn't mean it's an attack, nor does it mean I'm trying to defeat your argument by attacking you.

What I said was quite clear.

And just because the information is 20 years old, doesn't make it wrong.

It does make it outdated and combine that with the fact it's from an obviously biased source, it's just not worth reading.

You haven't even refuted a single thing in the article. So I'll just consider your points conceded until you do.

How did that go again?

Let me google that for you

A President doesn't create jobs. A President doesn't lose jobs. I don't blame Obama, nor do I credit Obama. I don't think people understand a President's job, nor do most people understand how an economy works. But it sounds good to blame and/or credit those who have zero to do with it.

I mostly agree. I think a President does have some influence, but not nearly as much as people like to pretend they do.

 

[Thrilla]

There are lots of high paying jobs out there that too few people qualify to fill. I guess you can blame Obama for that too.

Me? I blame Americans, especially those who are too ignorant to get an education in something tangible like medical or engineering, or those who failed to get certified in a trade like welding or air conditioning, or those who can't even get a CDL due to poor driving history and a DUI record, or those who cannot pass a security check so that they can work for a defense contractor.

Can't blame Obama for stupid Americans. We can only blame ourselves for raising them that way.

the "skills mismatch" thing is a myth.

a myth pushed by both Democrats and Republicans... but still a myth.

 

[MAGAnificent]

because democrats don't have their very own tv news station and a dozen radio talk shows to stroke themselves with as do the republicans is my guess.



Bottom line: Obama is on the verge of having a very successful presidency.

roflmao.

 

[calamity]

the "skills mismatch" thing is a myth.

a myth pushed by both Democrats and Republicans... but still a myth.

Yeah, because the guy standing behind the FF counter, asking you if you want to Supersize that Happy Meal, is capable of designing a fuel dispensing regulator for a fighter jet. :roll:

Do you guys ever think before posting?

 

[MAGAnificent]

He has 30 months to go. I'm guessing by end of 2016, he'll see a net gain of 11 million jobs--Reagan numbers.

The difference is the jobs created during Reagan were mostly full time jobs. Under "Hussein" Obama, it's mainly part time jobs as a result of obamacare. And what you are not hearing is how many jobs were lost. It's like sayting......"Damn......I lost 500 dollars....but oh joy! I found 20 dollars."

 

[Dittohead not!]

Yeah, because the guy standing behind the FF counter, asking you if you want to Supersize that Happy Meal, is capable of designing a fuel dispensing regulator for a fighter jet. :roll:

Do you guys ever think before posting?

He could well be capable of learning how to design a fuel dispensing regulator for a fighter jet.

 

[Thrilla]

Yeah, because the guy standing behind the FF counter, asking you if you want to Supersize that Happy Meal, is capable of designing a fuel dispensing regulator for a fighter jet. :roll:

Do you guys ever think before posting?

not only do I think before I post, I also read up on the subject matter.

you should try it sometime.

 

[calamity]

roflmao.

GWB is a ROFLMAO; Obama is a "Suck it boys!" Just think, your guy was soooo bad, the nation elected a Black man with middle name Hussein to replace him.

Can't wait to see the GOP to lose the WH again in '16. More reason for me to ROFLMAO.

 

[Thrilla]

He could well be capable of learning how to design a fuel dispensing regulator for a fighter jet.

there's already a ton of engineers to do that work..

"hard skills" aren't the primary problem.... "soft skills" are.
skills like, showing up to work, showing up on time, having a good work ethics, not demand pay that is too high for the market.

like anything else, if you incorrectly identify the problem, you'll end up applying the wrong solution.

 

[calamity]

not only do I think before I post, I also read up on the subject matter.

you should try it sometime.

You should try living it. Obviously you are clueless. If you had a high tech job, you would not be making such an ignorant statement.

Too many more people can push the buttons of a cash register with pictures on them than can man an oil derrick or set up a fracking site or perform heart surgery or replace knees, not to mention those nurses who hand the surgeons the proper tools. And, we won't even get into discussing those who actually design the tools or artificial valves and joints--way too few can do that. Craftsmen. people who can work machines which make the tiny parts needed in today's miniaturized, information laden world are also in short supply. Sadly too many of them are approaching retirement age.

Saying you read up on this is seriously funny!!! Tell me again how someone qualified to flip a burger can design an airfoil or develop a computer routine to marry face recognition software to drone flybys at nearly the speed of sound.

 

[Thrilla]

You should try living it. Obviously you are clueless. Too many more people can push the buttons of a cash register with pictures on them than can man an oil derrick or set up a fracking site or perform heart surgery or replace knees, not to mention those who hand the surgeons the proper tools, and we won't even get into those who actually design those tools or artificial valves and joints.

Saying you read up on this is seriously funny!!! Tell me again how someone qualified to flip a burger can design an airfoil or develop a computer routine to marry face recognition software to drone flybys at nearly the speed of sound.

you can keep repeating the myth if you want... it's not like I care if you look ill-informed <shrug>

 

[Dittohead not!]

there's already a ton of engineers to do that work..

"hard skills" aren't the primary problem.... "soft skills" are.
skills like, showing up to work, showing up on time, having a good work ethics, not demand pay that is too high for the market.

like anything else, if you incorrectly identify the problem, you'll end up applying the wrong solution.

If he lacks those "soft skills", doesn't show up on time, have a good work ethic, demands pay that is too high for the market, then he's unlikely to keep his job flipping burgers very long.

Getting something better requires being able to guess what is going to be in demand, and then having the ability, the will, and the money to train for it.

If there is a glut of engineers, studying engineering is likely to result in trying to pay for student loans by flipping burgers.

 

[calamity]

He could well be capable of learning how to design a fuel dispensing regulator for a fighter jet.

And therein lies the rub. Too many of our young who would be capable of graduating engineering school or developing skills as a certified electrician or earning a nursing degree or learning any one of a 100 legitimate "blue collar" trades are not seeking them out. It's weird, but if you ask me, too many young Americans want to be rocks stars, America's next top model or Lebron James rather than Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrausse Tyson, not to mention just Fred the Air Conditioning repair man

 

[Thrilla]

If he lacks those "soft skills", doesn't show up on time, have a good work ethic, demands pay that is too high for the market, then he's unlikely to keep his job flipping burgers very long.

Getting something better requires being able to guess what is going to be in demand, and then having the ability, the will, and the money to train for it.

If there is a glut of engineers, studying engineering is likely to result in trying to pay for student loans by flipping burgers.

that's the thing, we have tons of folks who are lacking in the soft skill areas... even a ton of highly educated and trained folks are lacking in soft skills.

when asked on a 2012 employers survey, 54% employers said that they had difficulty filling positions ... numero uno reason?.. lack of soft skills.
inadequate training or education ( hard skills) wasn't even near the top of the list.

regardless what Calamity the unknowing has to say about it...we have a diverse and highly educated labor market.. there is no shortages of skilled labor.. the "skills match" meme is a myth

 

[Dittohead not!]

And therein lies the rub. Too many of our young who would be capable of graduating engineering school or developing skills as a certified electrician or earning a nursing degree or learning any one of a 100 legitimate "blue collar" trades are not seeking them out. It's weird, but if you ask me, too many young Americans want to be rocks stars, America's next top model or Lebron James rather than Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrausse Tyson, not to mention just Fred the Air Conditioning repair man

That's another problem. Ask a hundred middle schoolers, and at least half of them think they'll be professional athletes of one sort or another, and the other half are going to be rock stars. Trying to talk sense into them isn't easy. A lot of them grow up still fantasizing about such careers.

 

[calamity]

there's already a ton of engineers to do that work..

Yeah, right. We have too many experienced engineers. That must explain why I have to recruit them away from my competition :roll:

"hard skills" aren't the primary problem.... "soft skills" are.
skills like, showing up to work, showing up on time, having a good work ethics, not demand pay that is too high for the market.

like anything else, if you incorrectly identify the problem, you'll end up applying the wrong solution.

Soft skills are not going to be able to put screws into your hip when you snap the head off your femur after a fall. Oh, that's right, you probably think we have too many orthopedic surgeons. :roll:

 

[calamity]

you can keep repeating the myth if you want... it's not like I care if you look ill-informed <shrug>

Myth is Jesus Christ rose from the dead. Fact is not enough educated and skilled people are available to fill highly specialized technical jobs.

Try not to conflate fact from fiction.

 

[Captain America]

Because Democrats don't have their very own TV news station and a dozen radio talk shows to stroke themselves with as do the Republicans is my guess.



Bottom line: Obama is on the verge of having a very successful presidency.

All due respect to President Obama, but I suspect that a lot has to do with the fact that the unemployment compensation teat is running dry. Mind you, I said, "suspect." Just an opinion.

The reason I say that is because I know some people who rode the unemployment train for as far as it would take them. At the end of the ride, many had miraculously found gainful employment.

I seem to recall that some country, I'm wanting to say Norway, Denmark perhaps, had unemployment benefits that lasted 5 years and their unemployment numbers were sky high. As soon as the benefits ran dry, they went to work and the employment percentages improved dramatically. I could probably find a link on it if I wasn't so lazy today.

I'm sure it's not that simple. But it could be part of the reason people are going back to work, just the same. They HAVE to.

Of course, it does help to have jobs to go back to.

Way over my head. I do good just to balance my checkbook. And, come to think of it, I really haven't had to do that in 5 or 6 years.

 

[Thrilla]

And therein lies the rub. Too many of our young who would be capable of graduating engineering school or developing skills as a certified electrician or earning a nursing degree or learning any one of a 100 legitimate "blue collar" trades are not seeking them out. It's weird, but if you ask me, too many young Americans want to be rocks stars, America's next top model or Lebron James rather than Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrausse Tyson, not to mention just Fred the Air Conditioning repair man

one of the top problem I face as an employer is young applicants wanting top dollar for their skills... altogether too many young folks feel entitled to earn what people with decades of experience earn.

not gonna happen.

 

[calamity]

That's another problem. Ask a hundred middle schoolers, and at least half of them think they'll be professional athletes of one sort or another, and the other half are going to be rock stars. Trying to talk sense into them isn't easy. A lot of them grow up still fantasizing about such careers.

I don't understand it. When I was a kid, sure we all wanted to be Tom Seaver. But, by about Jr High most of us knew that striking out a few kids in Little League was a far cry from whiffing Willie Mays and Hank Aaron. Did everyone of us who played with a guitar think we would grow up to be Ted Nugent? Sure. Maybe for a year or two. But when we couldn't even win the talent show, we started to figure that going to college wasn't such a dumb idea. Others learned to rebuild motorcycles or help dad wire houses. A few of us began working co-op jobs drafting or turning a lathe.

If anything, I think the society has gotten so extremely high-tech that kids can't relate to working in it like we could. Hard to explain. But, for me, becoming an engineer while working through college in a tool shop did not seem all that space-age. It seemed a reasonable goal. Maybe today's kids only see any light in the tunnel, only the train.

 

[calamity]

one of the top problem I face as an employer is young applicants wanting top dollar for their skills... altogether too many young folks feel entitled to earn what people with decades of experience earn.

not gonna happen.

We don't even touch young people. No experience. Young by us is 27, double degreed with some time spent as an intern/co-op student.

 

[Thrilla]

Myth is Jesus Christ rose from the dead. Fact is not enough educated and skilled people are available to fill highly specialized technical jobs.

Try not to conflate fact from fiction.

sorry, your "fact" is not backed up by data or evidence.

try again.

 

[Thrilla]

We don't even touch young people. No experience. Young by us is 27, double degreed with some time spent as an intern/co-op student.

for my lesser skilled positions, i'll hire on youngins'.... they have to start somewhere, might as well be with me.
it's tough to find any of them with a decent work ethic.. but we've had a few here and there.