Why We Did It[W:684]

[Boo Radley]

President Clinton's:
Statement on Signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
October 31, 1998

President G.W. Bush was just enforcing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 that President Clinton signed into law.


William J. Clinton: Statement on Signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

No, both of you are flawed in your reasoning. Nothing with Clinton called for invasion.

 

[AlbqOwl]

What do you say she is wrong about?

I linked the article. It is fairly short but provides a great deal of information that will answer your question quite competently.

 

[pbrauer]

I linked the article. It is fairly short but provides a great deal of information that will answer your question quite competently.

IOW, you can't tell me what she got wrong. All the donations are made by individuals, not by the unions. The more people in a union , the more donations there will be. The article is a farse.

 

[APACHERAT]

No, both of you are flawed in your reasoning. Nothing with Clinton called for invasion.

Clinton would leave it for a Republican President to deal with the Iraq problem that he couldn't solve in eight years.

 

[AlbqOwl]

IOW, you can't tell me what she got wrong. All the donations are made by individuals, not by the unions. The more people in a union , the more donations there will be. The article is a farse.

Already commented on. And your repeating the same error over and over will not change the facts stated in the article or my opinion. So let's agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Linc]

Would that be the same Iraqi problem that Bush-41/Reagan left President Clinton.

Clinton would leave it for a Republican President to deal with the Iraq problem that he couldn't solve in eight years.

Meanwhile SoS Kerry is one of the Adults in Today's World .

 

[RedAkston]

Meanwhile SoS Kerry is one of the Adults in Today's World .

Kerry the traitor an adult? :lamo

 

[APACHERAT]

Would that be the same Iraqi problem that Bush-41/Reagan left President Clinton.

Meanwhile SoS Kerry is one of the Adults in Today's World .

Iraq didn't become a problem until 1993.

Why would you bring up Kerry ? Putin is laughing almost as much at Kerry as he is at Obama.

BTW: Adults don't have temper tantrums and throw medals over the White House fence. :lamo

 

[Linc]

While some people are stuck in what they think happened 40 years ago, other Americans like Kerry are still serving their Country.
And I don't hear too many cheap shots being thrown at Kerry.
I do hear almost nothing but cheap shots at Mr. Obama from the GOP during the middle of a crisis.
I taught my students Present Moment Awareness .

Kerry the traitor an adult? :lamo

 

[Linc]

Iraq didn't become a problem until 1993.

So just as soon as Clinton walked in the door, Iraq became a problem?
Like when Obama walked in the door, we discovered we had a debt problem .

 

[Linc]

Why would you bring up Kerry ? Putin is laughing almost as much at Kerry as he is at Obama.

BTW: Adults don't have temper tantrums and throw medals over the White House fence. :lamo

So you're directly laughing at the President because Putin and Kerry are laughing at the President, your words.
We'll see who has the last laugh?

How are those chemical weapons going in Syria?
Or the WMDs in Iraq?

How many 'fellow' soldiers do you think Mr. Kerry may have saved with his actions?
Does a soldier have a right to do as he pleases with his medals ?

 

[APACHERAT]

So you're directly laughing at the President because Putin and Kerry are laughing at the President, your words.
We'll see who has the last laugh?

How are those chemical weapons going in Syria?
Or the WMDs in Iraq?

How many 'fellow' soldiers do you think Mr. Kerry may have saved with his actions?Does a soldier have a right to do as he pleases with his medals ?

It was Kerry who flubbed and Putin who gave Obama a way out.

BTW: Isn't Joe Biden suppose to be Obama's foreign policy expert ?


IRAQ'S ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT OF FORMER PRESIDENT G.H. BUSH IN 1993

 

[Linc]

It was Kerry who flubbed and Putin who gave Obama a way out.

which is why Putin oredered Assad to give up his WMDs.
Or why russia doesn't want Iran to have nukes.

Maybe Iran can replace some of that Pootie natural gas to Europe .

 

[Grim17]

Rachel Maddow was correct on this, those amounts for Actblue and the unions are sums of individual donors, the unions don't give the money, their members do. Actblue is a PAC

So according to you Pete, Every single one of the more than 1.6 million members of the American Federation of State, County and Municpal Employees Union must be democrats, because 100% of the money they contributed in the last election went to democrats and the republicans got nada.

You know, now would be a good time to discover where in the hell you misplaced your common sense.

 

[Grim17]

Which doesn't matter. Only makes your claims more silly. They were told he was unreliable.

Who was told this Boo?

I believe it was told to some people within the intelligence community... So the question would be, was this information ever brought to the attention of anyone in the Bush Administration prior to the invasion?

Oh, that's right... That was already answered by the Senate investigation and it was a big fat "No", the administration was not made aware of that information.

 

[jmotivator]

Like when Obama walked in the door, we discovered we had a debt problem .

Well, no, the year Obama took office the deficit was skyrocketing. There is no hypocrisy in the possition that $1.4 trillion deficits are worse than $300 billion deficits.

The REAL hypocrisy was from a certain Democrat who somehow decided that $1+ trillion deficits weren't nearly as bad as $300 billion deficits.

 

[Boo Radley]

Clinton would leave it for a Republican President to deal with the Iraq problem that he couldn't solve in eight years.

Nowhere did he call for invasion no matter how you slice it.

 

[Boo Radley]

Who was told this Boo?

I believe it was told to some people within the intelligence community... So the question would be, was this information ever brought to the attention of anyone in the Bush Administration prior to the invasion?

Oh, that's right... That was already answered by the Senate investigation and it was a big fat "No", the administration was not made aware of that information.

We were Grim. And don't pretend Bush was kept in the dark.

 

[Grim17]

We were Grim. And don't pretend Bush was kept in the dark.

There's no pretending here Boo... The Bush administration was never informed... This was investigated several times.

 

[Boo Radley]

There's no pretending here Boo... The Bush administration was never informed... This was investigated several times.

No, it really wasn't. They never asked the proper questions. But let me ask you a few things: 1) who did he hold accountable? 2) didn't he tell Tenet, "is this all you have?" And 3) do you believe Bush was stupid or incompetent?

 

[Grim17]

No, it really wasn't. They never asked the proper questions.

Yes, it really was... I've read several of them, so I know.

Also, you have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know what was asked, or what should have been asked, because you have no clue how any of those things work. Your opinion is just that... an opinion... and a partisan based one at that.

But let me ask you a few things: 1) who did he hold accountable?

Accountable? The intelligence analysts didn't lie or make up the intelligence used to come to their conclusions. As was determined by several investigations, the judgments made by the analysts were what they truly believed at the time, and the root of problem that lead to such a complete intelligence failure, was an inherent flaw in analytical trade itself.

Read a few reports why don't you, and maybe you'll learn something.

2) didn't he tell Tenet, "is this all you have?"

Hell, I don't know... And if so, I'd have to understand the total context in which it was said to make anything out of it.

And 3) do you believe Bush was stupid or incompetent?

Neither... Bush did exactly what every president since the 1940's has done, which was to leave the intelligence gathering and analizing to the experts in CIA and Intelligence Community, and count on the Director of Intelligence to inform him of any and all significant intelligence information related to a specific issue.


This is all old stuff Boo, and nothing has changes... You still have nothing but a bunch of "Monday morning quarterback" perspectives and ideologically driven opinions that have been no more validated or proved today, than they were last time this subject came up...

Since I answered your questions, here's one for you...

You claim that the president was told that the intelligence was flawed or incorrect before the invasion, so how come in the 10 years since we invaded Iraq, there hasn't been one person who has stepped forward and said "I met with the president and told him that ________ was false/flawed, but he continued to use that flawed/false intelligence to justify the invasion?

Our government is famous for it's leaks and defectors, yet 10 years after the fact, not one official, intelligence analyst, or anyone who came in contact with the president or members of his administration, has stepped forward and said anything of the sort... Not one.

 

[Captain America]

I watched the show last night.

It really didn't tell me much of anything I hadn't already figured out. Sure, there was some details that I was unaware of.

But, at the end of the day, it was all about oil, Halliburton, Cheney/Bush oil cronies and we were purposely lied to to gain support in attacking Iraq.

I have been saying that for years already. Those in denial notwithstanding, it should be as clear as the nose on anybody's face.

It's not rocket surgery people. LOL!

Bush lied, people died, the economy cried, case closed.

Have a nice day.

 

[Grim17]

I watched the show last night.

It really didn't tell me much of anything I hadn't already figured out. Sure, there was some details that I was unaware of.

But, at the end of the day, it was all about oil, Halliburton, Cheney/Bush oil cronies and we were purposely lied to to gain support in attacking Iraq.

If that's what that program said, then boy o' boy did they lie to their audience.

 

[pbrauer]

Already commented on. And your repeating the same error over and over will not change the facts stated in the article or my opinion. So let's agree to disagree and move on.

So according to you Pete, Every single one of the more than 1.6 million members of the American Federation of State, County and Municpal Employees Union must be democrats, because 100% of the money they contributed in the last election went to democrats and the republicans got nada.

You know, now would be a good time to discover where in the hell you misplaced your common sense.

AFSCME is a public sector union all the others are private sector unions. But Maddow wasn't just speaking about contributions to party and candidates, she was including Chamber of Commerce, and Karl Rove`s organizations, which are mostly funded by billionaires. Conservative groups like the American Future Fund.

 

[paddymcdougall]

I watched the show last night.

It really didn't tell me much of anything I hadn't already figured out. Sure, there was some details that I was unaware of.

But, at the end of the day, it was all about oil, Halliburton, Cheney/Bush oil cronies and we were purposely lied to to gain support in attacking Iraq.

I have been saying that for years already. Those in denial notwithstanding, it should be as clear as the nose on anybody's face.

It's not rocket surgery people. LOL!

Bush lied, people died, the economy cried, case closed.

Have a nice day.

Nice summary. At the end of it, I said to my husband "But didn't we already know it was for oil?" he pointed out the show had new documentation around it, which was fair point.

Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq from before his first day in office; Cheney aided and abetted that; 9/11 gave them their excuse; but wow - did they botch it, because they didn't get the oil.