Why was Martin considered as SUSPICIOUS by Zimmerman?

[haymarket]

his race was certainly ONE of the factors. but only so much in that his race matched the race, age and gender of known criminals in the area. Had the recent robberies in the area been committed by white, hispanic, asian males...you might have a case when claiming that zimmerman thought martin was suspicious because he was black.

zimmerman thought martin looked suspicious because martin fit all of the parameters of the profile of known criminals in the area. race being only one of them.

How was Martin supposedly connected to robberies in the area?

Could you present these parameters which connect Martin to the crimes?

 

[davidtaylorjr]

fantastic. now apply that to Zimmerman and tell me what Martin did that was suspicious and warranted a report to the police.

Um perhaps you didn't actually read the definition, if you had, Zimmerman's position would be clear as we have already explained to you.

 

[haymarket]

Because of your obvious race overtone.
You were given the answer by mulitple posters, same as Zimmerman said in video testimony. And you refuse to just take if for its face value.
If I see you driving down the road, and you look just like someone that broke into my home or stole my car. I would call the police.

I refuse to accept trash as cash. I refuse to accept carefully couched lies as truth. I refuse to accept nonsense as logic and reason.

 

[ric27]

Does it have a sequel? See Something, Say Something....Follow Something?

By the way, see something, say something....isn't that regarding terrorism? Now is Trayvon a terrorist???

Yea, but the hood rat motto is "snitches get stitches".

Your beef is with the Feds and NW groups

They tell people to call 911/NEN.... They tell people to do it.

 

[haymarket]

Um perhaps you didn't actually read the definition, if you had, Zimmerman's position would be clear as we have already explained to you.

So you would have no trouble connecting Martin with these robberies and that was what warranted the call?

The problem I have is that I get sick and tired of being sick and tired of people on the right screaming, yelling, ranting, raving and just generally bitching about the left introducing freaking RACE into this when it was Zimmerman who was pushed by RACE from the get go.

Your side would do well to shut the heck up about RACE when the single event which started this thing had RACE stamped all over it in mile high letters.

 

[windowdressing]

Maggie - really now --- you and I both know the obvious reason but your side is walking on eggshells trying to avoid it like a rotting leper tries to avoid high winds.

Why can't you side at least be honest?

walking while black, male, and young is still a crime in this country or at least makes you suspicious ... but you won't get acknowledgement of this from the cons ... more of them think Elvis is still alive than racism is still a problem in this country ...

 

[joko104]

Walking through a neighborhood in the dark wearing a hood because it was raining..... this is what you got?!?!?!?!? :shock::doh

This is something done by millions of Americans at one time or another. And that amounts to SUSPICIOUS behavior that warrants a call to the police!?!?!?!?!? :doh

Come on now folks. Just be honest.

Lying gets you nowhere and really is analogous to spitting on yourself. Martin was not "walking thru." When someone has to resort to incessant lying that everyone knows is a lie, it is just a fool's message.

 

[HK.227]

The entire sad episode of Zimmerman killing Martin began with Zimmerman making a judgement that Martin was suspicious. And he was so seriously suspicious that he even called it in to the local police.

So a simple question: what was Martin doing that warranted him to be judged as suspicious meriting a phone call to report him to the local police?

Body language might have contributed.
Just a random hypothesis, but TM was visiting his father, so he may have been unfamiliar with the area. That could lead to looking around more than usual as he was making his way home.
If that was the case, it would be easy for your average cop or neighbourhood watchman to misinterpret said body language as suspicious behaviour.
It could have been the first of a series of misunderstandings and bad jugdement that by themselves were not fatal, but the combined effect of which eventually lead to the shooting.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

So you would have no trouble connecting Martin with these robberies and that was what warranted the call?

The problem I have is that I get sick and tired of being sick and tired of people on the right screaming, yelling, ranting, raving and just generally bitching about the left introducing freaking RACE into this when it was Zimmerman who was pushed by RACE from the get go.

Your side would do well to shut the heck up about RACE when the single event which started this thing had RACE stamped all over it in mile high letters.

There is ZERO evidence, that Zimmerman pushed race. None whatsoever. Before you go on a rant you should look at the facts of the case.

 

[Dapper Andy]

I looked for it in the transcript buy could find nothing. On what page is the testimony of Zimmerman explaining the answer?

You didn't find it because you're unwilling to believe anything but "because he's a nigger!"

It's your own fault that you've decided to take such a decidedly partisan approach to this case.

 

[CRUE CAB]

walking while black, male, and young is still a crime in this country or at least makes you suspicious ... but you won't get acknowledgement of this from the cons ... more of them think Elvis is still alive than racism is still a problem in this country ...

So if someone is walking between mine and my neighbors homes, I should just cower in my garage till they are gone?
Or should I at least ask why are you cutting through on my property and not walking on the side walk?
And if they keep doing it, do I have the right to call the police and if they see me calling the police do they have the right to come back and punch me?

 

[joko104]

So you would have no trouble connecting Martin with these robberies and that was what warranted the call?

The problem I have is that I get sick and tired of being sick and tired of people on the right screaming, yelling, ranting, raving and just generally bitching about the left introducing freaking RACE into this when it was Zimmerman who was pushed by RACE from the get go.

Your side would do well to shut the heck up about RACE when the single event which started this thing had RACE stamped all over it in mile high letters.

Another deliberate lie - and everyone knows it - and you know everyone knows it. The police asked GZ for Martin's race. The MSNBC video was edited. Everyone knows that. You know that. You know everyone knows it too.

That you appear to know just want to grab attention to yourself by posting every false thing you can think of it to get people to respond to you is attention whoring to the extreme.

 

[Erod]

So you would have no trouble connecting Martin with these robberies and that was what warranted the call?

The problem I have is that I get sick and tired of being sick and tired of people on the right screaming, yelling, ranting, raving and just generally bitching about the left introducing freaking RACE into this when it was Zimmerman who was pushed by RACE from the get go.

Your side would do well to shut the heck up about RACE when the single event which started this thing had RACE stamped all over it in mile high letters.

The cops didn't press charges. The local jurisdiction didn't press charges. The FBI found no evidence of racial profiling or reason to press charges.

You're just wrong.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Acceptable to a true believer who lies about their true motivations and will accept old bag of manure as an excuse.

I believe Martin was a thug that got exactly what he was looking for. A fight, and he lost.
He could have easily just stayed on the track to home and let it go, but no. He had to thug up and fight.

 

[haymarket]

You didn't find it because you're unwilling to believe anything but "because he's a nigger!"

It's your own fault that you've decided to take such a decidedly partisan approach to this case.

How is recognizing reality partisan?

 

[ric27]

So you would have no trouble connecting Martin with these robberies and that was what warranted the call?

The problem I have is that I get sick and tired of being sick and tired of people on the right screaming, yelling, ranting, raving and just generally bitching about the left introducing freaking RACE into this when it was Zimmerman who was pushed by RACE from the get go.

Your side would do well to shut the heck up about RACE when the single event which started this thing had RACE stamped all over it in mile high letters.

Your thread is bull**** and here's why......

Was Z charged for making a false report to the police?

 

[haymarket]

I believe Martin was a thug that got exactly what he was looking for. A fight, and he lost.
He could have easily just stayed on the track to home and let it go, but no. He had to thug up and fight.

Actually he was winning the fight. He was kicking the ass of Zimmerman. Then Z introduced superior lethal force into the dispute and killed Martin.

 

[windowdressing]

How was Martin supposedly connected to robberies in the area?

Could you present these parameters which connect Martin to the crimes?

quick story ... I have a friend, African American, a clinical psychologist who worked in the counseling center at a very prestigious Ivy League school who was walking on campus one day (nicely dressed with a sports jacket) and was stopped by a campus patrolman and asked for I.D. ... he asked the guy why he wanted him to show I.D. and the guy said that a black guy had robbed a store in town ... my friend asked what the guy looked like? Did he have his build, was he roughly his age, dressed as he was? the patrolman said he didn't know, just that he was black ... now, my con friends, if a white guy had robbed a store, would that patrolman have asked every white guy on campus for his I.D.? also, whites are more likely to have drugs when suspected of and stopped for having drugs, but blacks are still disproportionately stopped for that reason ...

 

[haymarket]

Your thread is bull**** and here's why......

Was Z charged for making a false report to the police?

And that is important why?

How does that negate what caused Zimmerman's suspicions in the first place?

 

[OscarB63]

How was Martin supposedly connected to robberies in the area?

Could you present these parameters which connect Martin to the crimes?

he was wandering around in the dark/rain and fit the profile of known criminals. no one is claiming that trayvon WAS a criminal. but he did match the profile, therefore it was reasonable to be suspicious.

contrary to what you want to believe...it was not as simply as "zimmerman thought he was suspicious because he was black"

 

[windowdressing]

quick story ... I have a friend, African American, a clinical psychologist who worked in the counseling center at a very prestigious Ivy League school who was walking on campus one day (nicely dressed with a sports jacket) and was stopped by a campus patrolman and asked for I.D. ... he asked the guy why he wanted him to show I.D. and the guy said that a black guy had robbed a store in town ... my friend asked what the guy looked like? Did he have his build, was he roughly his age, dressed as he was? the patrolman said he didn't know, just that he was black ... now, my con friends, if a white guy had robbed a store, would that patrolman have asked every white guy on campus for his I.D.? also, whites are more likely to have drugs when suspected of and stopped for having drugs, but blacks are still disproportionately stopped for that reason ...

 

[haymarket]

The cops didn't press charges. The local jurisdiction didn't press charges. The FBI found no evidence of racial profiling or reason to press charges.

You're just wrong.

Press charges!?!?!?!? :doh Against who... for what? :shock:

And what does that have to do with what motivated Z to label Martin as suspicious?

But nice attempt to move the goal posts there.

 

[keymanjim]

You don't want to know the truth. You only want the answer you're looking for. Even if that answer has nothing to do with reality.

So, in that case, he was walking while being black.


There. Does that satisfy your need to stay in a state of perpetual victimhood?

 

[haymarket]

he was wandering around in the dark/rain and fit the profile of known criminals. no one is claiming that trayvon WAS a criminal. but he did match the profile, therefore it was reasonable to be suspicious.

contrary to what you want to believe...it was not as simply as "zimmerman thought he was suspicious because he was black"

What about Martin fit the profile of "known criminals" and could you please point to this profile of "known criminals" so we can compare the two?

 

[CRUE CAB]

Actually he was winning the fight. He was kicking the ass of Zimmerman. Then Z introduced superior lethal force into the dispute and killed Martin.

Won the fight, lost the war. Got what he was asking for.