Why was Martin considered as SUSPICIOUS by Zimmerman?

[haymarket]

With the kind of education that you say that you have you should know about this stuff Haymarket....why are you trying to deny that people can move and act in a way that is suspicious? Are all the cops wrong in how they do their jobs? Those in the military? Those in security positions? Millions of people are all wrong and you are right huh?

Do educate me please.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Oh - so you were looking in your crystal ball at the riots yet to come? Got it. :doh:roll: :shock:

Wanna take a wager? I say within the next 72 to 96 hours there will be a death directly associated with "gettin' even".

 

[haymarket]

Jesus, I have outlined who everone is a million times.
Trayvons parents, Zimmermans parents, Zimmermans friends and family, Zimmerman dated a black women in school, the FBI, the prosecutors, his lawyers, the police, people that lived in his neighborhood, the fact that he is multiracial.
He was not a racist, race played no part in it.
Through all your bellowing you have yet to PROVE race had anything to do with it.

Your side really needs to make up your mind.

One day you are ripping people for making this about race. Then you say nobody says its about race.

Make up your mind.

I keep seeing that scene in CHINATOWN where Nicholson keeps slapping Dunaway and she can't make up her mind if its her sister or her daughter. :roll:

 

[Kal'Stang]

Do educate me please.

Nope. I'm pretty sure that you know about it already. You're just purposely ignoring it. Which means I will not be wasteing anymore time with your sillyness.

 

[haymarket]

Wanna take a wager? I say within the next 72 to 96 hours there will be a death directly associated with "gettin' even".

I am open to a wager about the future and this case.

I really have no idea what that means "a death ASSOCIATED with getting even". That seems so broad that it could be said to apply to tons of events and it would be one giant bitch fest trying to prove who won.

You talked about riots and burnings. Lets go with that. I will say definitively and wager a nice even $100.00 that there will no riots on any scale approaching what we characterized as a riot in the past - LA with the Rondy King riots comes to mind...... the riots of 67 & 68 would be acceptable standards..... in any American city over the next 72 hours.

Ready?

 

[blackjack50]

Are you still talking about the Martin case because I remember no crowd on that dark and rainy night.

So there was no crowd? So you are saying Martin stood out because he was alone then?

 

[CRUE CAB]

Your side really needs to make up your mind.

One day you are ripping people for making this about race. Then you say nobody says its about race.

Make up your mind.

I keep seeing that scene in CHINATOWN where Nicholson keeps slapping Dunaway and she can't make up her mind if its her sister or her daughter. :roll:

My side? WTF are you talking about? I say race had no part in the beginning and should have no part in it now.
I say Zimmerman, while ill advised did nothing illegal.
So, how is my side making this about race?

 

[CRUE CAB]

I am open to a wager about the future and this case.

I really have no idea what that means "a death ASSOCIATED with getting even. That seems so broad that it could be said to apply to tons of events and it would be one giant bitch fest trying to prove who won.

You talked about riots and burnings. Lets go with that. I will say definitively and wager a nice even $100.00 that there will no riots on any scale approaching what we characterized as a riot in the past - LA with the Rondy King riots comes to mind...... the riots of 67 & 68 would be acceptable standards..... in any American city over the next 72 hours.

Ready?

Who cares how big the riot or unruly the protest is. Just the fact that there have been plenty of incidents around the country atributed to the trial should tell you something. Did you miss the part in Baltimore where the perp was screaming "this is for Travon" as he beat a man?
I have never met anyone so blind in my whole life.

 

[haymarket]

So there was no crowd? So you are saying Martin stood out because he was alone then?

We have no idea if he was alone or not that night when we consider the whole neighborhood. There could have been other street traffic.... car traffic .... etc.

But you asking me about a crowd was just inane as no crowd was present - so again you invoke the False Premise.

 

[haymarket]

Who cares how big the riot or unruly the protest is. Just the fact that there have been plenty of incidents around the country atributed to the trial should tell you something. Did you miss the part in Baltimore where the perp was screaming "this is for Travon" as he beat a man?
I have never met anyone so blind in my whole life.

yes - I missed that. And you would call that a riot?

 

[blackjack50]

We have no idea if he was alone or not that night when we consider the neighborhood. There could have been other street traffic.... car traffic .... etc.

But you asking me about a crowd was just inane as no crowd was present - so again you invoke the False Premise.

So you are going with a lie then. When Zimmerman spotted Trayvon...was he (Trayvon) alone or in a crowd? Would he have stood out on an empty side walk?

 

[OscarB63]

So there was no crowd? So you are saying Martin stood out because he was alone then?

don't know about anyone else..but if I saw a person walking around in the rain at night...I'd think it was suspicious (odd at the very least) no matter what age/race/gender they were.

 

[CRUE CAB]

yes - I missed that. And you would call that a riot?

Weellll, I guess you call it just black revenge? And its totally acceptable?

 

[blackjack50]

We have no idea if he was alone or not that night when we consider the whole neighborhood. There could have been other street traffic.... car traffic .... etc.

But you asking me about a crowd was just inane as no crowd was present - so again you invoke the False Premise.

I posed a question to see if you believed observing race was racist. It wasn't a false premise. I am trying to find out where you derived racism in this event.

Now. You agree there was no crowd. That therefor means that Trayvon did stand out. Dies someone who is alone in a gated community stand out?

 

[Slyfox696]

No-we are talking about the whole enchilada

No, no you were not. You were very clearly talking about what made Zimmerman suspicious. For Christ's sake, it is your thread title. Quit trying to change the subject simply because your posts have been borderline racist.

and the first bite was Zimmerman following him despite being told to not do that any longer by the very authorities he called for help.

Once more you are bringing in extraneous information, irrelevant to your own topic of conversation. We're talking simply about why Zimmerman thought Martin was suspicious. And the only person who has made anything to do about race consistently (at least until I stopped closely following the thread) has been you.

 

[blackjack50]

don't know about anyone else..but if I saw a person walking around in the rain at night...I'd think it was suspicious (odd at the very least) no matter what age/race/gender they were.

Don't worry. I am getting to that. Haymaket knows it too. That is why he is tailspinning and trying to backtrack his argument so he can find something where he thinks I was slightly off. He doesn't realize my entire comments are broken up so as to make him answer as to how Zimmerman observing Trayvon was racist.

 

[Mach]

Wearing a hoodie is legal and something thousands of people do every day.

No one claimed wearing a hoodie or walking around a neighborhood at night was:
1. illegal
2. Not something thousands do every day.

You asked why Zimmerman called in on TM, it was answered. Most suspicious activity is not illegal, why would you try to introduce that strawman anyway?
A hoodie helps obscure identity. A mask would obscure it even more, but would be significantly more suspicious unless it was Halloween.
that combined with the recent break-ins, and the fact that he was neighborhood patrolling....such trivially obvious stuff.
The rain is typically not something you want to be in at night, and it obscures sound, and is typically results in fewer people randomly being outside. All conditions that would favor criminal activity, and this could be reasonably considered suspicious. Again, on the backdrop of recent break-ins.

Why TM decided to violently, criminally attack someone is really the question. Everything else including zimmeran's response was pretty straightforward.

This seems really basic to have to explain to you...you're slipping.

 

[Excon]

The entire sad episode of Zimmerman killing Martin began with Zimmerman making a judgement that Martin was suspicious. And he was so seriously suspicious that he even called it in to the local police.

So a simple question: what was Martin doing that warranted him to be judged as suspicious meriting a phone call to report him to the local police?

This whole thread should have been over the moment you created it.
You already know why he appeared suspicious.
He was looking into homes and just standing about looking around aimlessly in the rain, not trying to get out of it.
You know his doing so is considered suspicious by the NW coordinator.
Even the witness that appeared on Anderson Cooper said his looking into homes as reported would be suspicious.
Which is why Zimmerman said he was suspicious of him.

COOPER: Why do you think George Zimmerman found Trayvon Martin suspicious then?

JUROR: Because he was cutting through the back, it was raining. He said he was looking in houses as he was walking down the road. Kind of just not having a purpose to where he was going. He was stopping and starting. But I mean, that's George's rendition of it, but I think the situation where Trayvon got into him being late at night, dark at night, raining, and anybody would think anybody walking down the road stopping and turning and looking, if that's exactly what happened, is suspicious. And George said that he didn't recognize who he was.
CNN.com - Transcripts​

If you were trying to be honest, you would admit that those are the reasons.
I guess you don't like reality and choose to substitute your own version.

ranting, raving and just generally bitching about the left introducing freaking RACE into this when it was Zimmerman who was pushed by RACE from the get go.

And you are wrong, Zimmerman did not make this about race at all.
You seem to forget that he stated he would have called if it had been a white person too.
You also seem to forget that the FBI said it wasn't racially motivated.

oh my gawd!!!!

So six is not a half a dozen?
Three times two is not the same?
Eight minus two is not the same?
Half of twelve is not the same?
Seven Dwarfs minus Dopey is not the same?
the Four Horseman and two friends is not the same?

gimme a break already and join the real world where the same thing can be said in many ways AND MEAN THE SAME THING.

My gawd is right, as you are absurdly wrong.

No-we are talking about the whole enchilada and the first bite was Zimmerman following him despite being told to not do that any longer by the very authorities he called for help.

:naughty
He was not "told" not to do any such thing.
Being "told" is being given an instruction.
Zimmerman was not instructed.
He was given a "suggestion" just like the Chief of police said.
A suggestion that he followed, which makes your assertion even more false.

Trayvon went South, while Zimmerman went East, and then headed back West.

But you already know that because you have been informed of it previously.

 

[Excon]

wrong...not "racially" profiling.... merely "criminal" profiling. race is simply one of many factors that goes into creating a profile.

racial profiling considers ONLY race
criminal profiling considers all factors

surely even you can see that difference

and you have been answered ad nauseum: Zimmerman called the police because martin fit a criminal profile. so sorry that is not the answer you wanted.

why zimmerman was suspicious =/= why martin died

how difficult is that for you to understand? two entirely different questions

^ This! ^

:yt

:agree

:dito:​

 

[blackjack50]

The entire sad episode of Zimmerman killing Martin began with Zimmerman making a judgement that Martin was suspicious. And he was so seriously suspicious that he even called it in to the local police.

So a simple question: what was Martin doing that warranted him to be judged as suspicious meriting a phone call to report him to the local police?

Another direct question for you haymaket.

Why do you think Zimmerman thought Trayvon was suspicious?

 

[American]

Actually, he did very well in the fight. Kicked his ass.

Really?? Then I guess he got what he deserved. This is what people need to learn if they lack common sense, you **** with the wrong people and you're liable to get yourself killed. And when I say "**** with", I'm talking about assault with malintent. Like everyone else, I wish this hadn't happened. Trayvon was young and probably thought he was invincible.

 

[blackjack50]

Really?? Then I guess he got what he deserved. This is what people need to learn if they lack common sense, you **** with the wrong people and you're liable to get yourself killed. And when I say "**** with", I'm talking about assault with malintent. Like everyone else, I wish this hadn't happened. Trayvon was young and probably thought he was invincible.

BINGO!!! It really does suck that Trayvon did not have parents who taught him humility. It sucks that he had no concept if consequences. It sucks that he was allowed anywhere unsupervised after being caught stealing and being suspended from school twice. And it sucks that he didnt understand how to react to a "creepy ass cracker."

I would have left. Someone follows me...I get back to where I am safe a quickly as possible.

 

[Bronson]

Why TM decided to violently, criminally attack someone is really the question.

We know why Martin decided to criminally and violently attack someone. He believed that Zimmerman was gay. Because he believed that Zimmerman was gay, he also believed he was a rapist.

 

[American]

We know why Martin decided to criminally and violently attack someone. He believed that Zimmerman was gay. Because he believed that Zimmerman was gay, he also believed he was a rapist.

Well I don't know if there's enough evidence of that. Just because that silly attention whore friend of his said it, doesn't prove he reacted on it.

 

[sharon]

No one claimed wearing a hoodie or walking around a neighborhood at night was:
1. illegal
2. Not something thousands do every day.

You asked why Zimmerman called in on TM, it was answered. Most suspicious activity is not illegal, why would you try to introduce that strawman anyway?
A hoodie helps obscure identity. A mask would obscure it even more, but would be significantly more suspicious unless it was Halloween.
that combined with the recent break-ins, and the fact that he was neighborhood patrolling....such trivially obvious stuff.
The rain is typically not something you want to be in at night, and it obscures sound, and is typically results in fewer people randomly being outside. All conditions that would favor criminal activity, and this could be reasonably considered suspicious. Again, on the backdrop of recent break-ins.

Why TM decided to violently, criminally attack someone is really the question. Everything else including zimmeran's response was pretty straightforward.

This seems really basic to have to explain to you...you're slipping.

Teens walk everywhere and sometimes get caught in the rain.. They also wear hoodies in the cooler months and talk on cellphones.