Why the Right Fears AOC

[washunut]

Everything I said is accurate. She's a socialist, she's popular on the left, she's gaining power, and the right isn't growing at all. None of that implies "I like this socialist."

Fine. I misinterpreted. Sorry about that. That being said although the right isn't growing the middle is.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

It's really amazing we live in a time where Trump supporters call out politicians for saying dumb ****.

The blind hypocrisy is almost laughable.

 

[CaughtInThe]

so a waitress who grew up poor and got an economics degree is gonna contribute to oversight on a guy who's daddy paid him millions as a toddler and then he grew up to be such a bad credit risk that US banks won't loan him a dime.

that's just too funny.

 

[Fishking]

Name any current elected official who hasn’t said stupid things.

True...she didn't say Guam might capsize. That aside, that was middle school level stuff. And it was more than a simple misspeak, she caught that she said something wrong and tried to correct it but didn't even know how to get it right. That's just one of many things. Naïve =/= uneducated, which is, at best, the most charitable way to look at her.

 

[Josie]

Blah blah blah... My post proves that Americans and with AOC and not you. She is with the norm... you are the extremist. I don't care that that bothers you. That is just the facts and you can't seem to deal with it.

Ahhh -- I see now. You're defining "extreme" as something that most people don't agree with, therefore, if most people do agree with it, it must NOT be extreme.

The "extreme left" or "radical left" (or right, for that matter) doesn't change as popular opinion changes. If 90% of people agree with an extreme right-wing policy, that doesn't make it not extreme anymore. It just means that the 90% are on the extreme right.

Socialism -- which is exactly what AOC's dream is -- is absolutely an extreme left-wing idea. If the country's popular opinion moves us toward a more socialist government, that doesn't mean socialism isn't extreme anymore.

 

[calamity]

The one way you can always tell how much the right wing fears somebody is the level of attention they give them. And the far right has found a new Hillary to demonize.

One poster here said something about urinating in their undies. No doubt that is what is happening as they lose control of their functions.

Yep. She strikes so much fear in them they pee their pants. I love it.

 

[Nickyjo]

A worthy replacement for the wicked witch who lost the 2016 presidential election.

Correct. The right needs another woman to demonize, now that Hillary is fading. She’s young, from liberal NY, and even is brown. Think of all the years of demonization and half-truths about her that lie ahead. They even tried to turn a charming dance video from her past into a negative.

 

[poweRob]

Ahhh -- I see now. You're defining "extreme" as something that most people don't agree with, therefore, if most people do agree with it, it must NOT be extreme.

The "extreme left" or "radical left" (or right, for that matter) doesn't change as popular opinion changes. If 90% of people agree with an extreme right-wing policy, that doesn't make it not extreme anymore. It just means that the 90% are on the extreme right.

Socialism -- which is exactly what AOC's dream is -- is absolutely an extreme left-wing idea. If the country's popular opinion moves us toward a more socialist government, that doesn't mean socialism isn't extreme anymore.

Socialism isn't a policy. If you go policy by policy America is with AOC and not the right. Which is why the right prefer wars with the dictionary so they can demonize a single word and then claim victory.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

so a waitress who grew up poor and got an economics degree is gonna contribute to oversight on a guy who's daddy paid him millions as a toddler and then he grew up to be such a bad credit risk that US banks won't loan him a dime.

that's just too funny.

Ocasio-Cortez graduated cum laude. Trump not so much.

 

[eohrnberger]

Are you refuting the poll numbers? Seems as though a majority of Americans agree with the majority of AOC's "far left" policy positions.

I distrust the media reporting it.
It is not the media, or media related entities that are conducting these polls?
Don't trust them either.

The events since last Friday have proven that the media is not worthy of any sort of belief in anything they say, or any form of trust.

 

[calamity]

Socialism isn't a policy. If you go policy by policy America is with AOC and not the right. Which is why the right prefer wars with the dictionary so they can demonize a single word and then claim victory.

It sells well to the dummies

 

[marke]

Correct. The right needs another woman to demonize, now that Hillary is fading. She’s young, from liberal NY, and even is brown. Think of all the years of demonization and half-truths about her that lie ahead. They even tried to turn a charming dance video from her past into a negative.

I think she is pretty. it is her ideas and policies that stink like crap.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Ocasio-Cortez graduated cum laude. Trump not so much.

Trump graduated from the school of hard knocks. Only making 3 million a year while still in a diaper.

I still think Donald Trump's dad thought he was an idiot.

 

[armycowboy]

I distrust the media reporting it.
It is not the media, or media related entities that are conducting these polls?
Don't trust them either.

The events since last Friday have proven that the media is not worthy of any sort of belief in anything they say, or any form of trust.

So Fake News? Thought so.

 

[Josie]

Socialism isn't a policy. If you go policy by policy America is with AOC and not the right. Which is why the right prefer wars with the dictionary so they can demonize a single word and then claim victory.

And when are you going to address my point about the word "extreme"? Do you honestly think if the majority of Americans agreed with an extreme right-wing policy, thought, law or idea that means it's not extreme anymore?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

True...she didn't say Guam might capsize. That aside, that was middle school level stuff. And it was more than a simple misspeak, she caught that she said something wrong and tried to correct it but didn't even know how to get it right. That's just one of many things. Naïve =/= uneducated, which is, at best, the most charitable way to look at her.

Personally, I’m not concerned about her naiveté. Her self described Democratic Socialist platform is more interesting to me. Is she a possible bellwether for her party? I hope not, but we are living in a strange time where extreme positions are being normalized.

 

[poweRob]

And when are you going to address my point about the word "extreme"? Do you honestly think if the majority of Americans agreed with an extreme right-wing policy, thought, law or idea that means it's not extreme anymore?

By what measurement does one use to define extreme if not as a comparison to norms?

 

[poweRob]

Personally, I’m not concerned about her naiveté. Her self described Democratic Socialist platform is more interesting to me. Is she a possible bellwether for her party? I hope not, but we are living in a strange time where extreme positions are being normalized.

Dude... she is not extreme. Her policies poll well with the majority of Americans.

 

[Josie]

By what measurement do you use to define extreme?

That's what I asked YOU and you refused to answer.

 

[Josie]

Dude... she is not extreme. Her policies poll well with the majority of Americans.

So anyone or any policy that polls well with the majority of a country cannot be, by definition, extreme. Are you really hanging your hat on that?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

... I still think Donald Trump's dad thought he was an idiot.

One of his professors is known to have said “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had'”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.studyinternational.com/news/amp/trump-student-wharton/

 

[poweRob]

That's what I asked YOU and you refused to answer.

I reworded it to make it less personal

By what measurement does one use to define extreme if not as a comparison to norms?​

and you know mine now. If you disagree with that measurement of "extreme"... then what is yours?

 

[Josie]

I reworded it to make it less personal

By what measurement does one use to define extreme if not as a comparison to norms?​

and you know mine now. If you disagree with that measurement of "extreme"... then what is yours?

No, I don't know yours. I've asked you repeatedly to tell me some examples of "extreme left" ideas. So let's have them.

 

[Mr Person]

House Oversight Committee

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Get 'em, Girl.

Meh....they don't scare her. They just wanted a target. And frankly, she has made herself a good one a few times. I don't want to embrace the notion that person A is good because they piss off Conservatives B to Zed-Alpha-Niner. (there's also that bit about saying her factual errors don't count because she's morally right. NO). That'd be hypocrisy on my part, after all, and I save that only for the very best points.

That said, we need to wait and see what she actually does in office to judge. She's passionate, but






(I mean, seriously... the ****-up where she acted as if the Pentagon not being able to account for 21 trillion or whatever meant that there was 21 trillion lying around somewhere, when instead the most likely explanation comes down to (A) entitled military officials acting in knowledge they won't get in trouble, and (B) slush funds we're not supposed to know about.

I'll give her a chance, but when someone fails that hard without later saying "sorry, I was high" or something like it, my opinion tends to jump down a notch or two).





I also worry that we get Trump or Trumpists if the Dems go to the far left and embrace this "stuff that's so awesome we'll save money despite great expenditure without raising tax rates" crap". They don't seem to realize that most developed European countries pay assloads in taxes. Sure, they get services they would buy elsewhere and maybe one can look at the balance of what was spent privately vs. now spent public, but the ****ers don't even talk about it.

Her, K. Harris, Bernie, it's all "we can do this, it'll be great, and no I won't say anything about the cost. **** that).

 

[Fishking]

Personally, I’m not concerned about her naiveté. Her self described Democratic Socialist platform is more interesting to me. Is she a possible bellwether for her party? I hope not, but we are living in a strange time where extreme positions are being normalized.

True enough. I never thought Trump would make it to where he did and he says dumb stuff all the times so who knows? As for now, I'll content myself to being entertained and putting the mantle of the representative of the Democrat party for now.