Why the left makes a distinction between Hitler and Stalin

[jamesrage]

Hey I found images of James972 and Jamesrage on the Breitbart site:

Much better looking that the picture of you.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Reading the posts here from Conservatives concerning history and Hitler is a very sad indictment of the American Educational System.

My God!!

 

[oneworld2]

but dear our subject is capitalism. You had en masse enslavement all over the world 100,000 years before capitalism was invented and under all forms of govt. Certainly, even as a liberal, you have the ability to understand that???

That depends on when you think capitalism began ( note was not " invented " ) I would argue that the all pervasive capitalism we see all around the globe today is the culmination of a system of profiteering that goes way back. What you were referring to was the primitive capitalism that saw the sale and resale of slaves throughout ancient times. I was actually being reasonable by not including these.

The slave trade saw the industrial scale enslavement of people to be resold as a commodity at a profit by private individuals and thus ticks the very same boxes as we see today. So you can try to dismiss it , for obvious reasons , but I assure you it is a legitimate entry in the list of crimes committed by capitalism

Have you been tallying up the victims of capitalist criminals mentioned in the events I cited yet ?

My guess is that you are not really interested in the death or misfortunes of anybody but just like to selective cite certain things to try to convince others that there is some great merit in your 2 minute put together theories

 

[oneworld2]

dear, I didn't say capitalism was people going shopping. I said "capitalism is free people freely shopping with their own money and free businesses competing for customers and employees on basis of price and quality. Its hard to imagine how that killed even one person. Care to rethink???"

Notice the way you lied to yourself and believed it. We this creating a strawman. Do you understand?

I didn't lie to myself .

I parodied the simplistic nature of your analysis in a bid to show the ridiculous oversimplifications you have a penchant for

 

[James972]

I parodied the simplistic nature of your analysis

if simplistic why is the liberal so afraid to say why?

 

[James972]

The slave trade saw the industrial scale enslavement of people

but so what given that we've always had slaves regardless of govt type or economic type????

 

[James972]

all pervasive capitalism we see all around the globe today is the culmination of a system of profiteering that goes way back.

then profiteering must be very very good indeed given that the earth now supports 7 billion people, far more than ever before, and they are living far better than ever before too.

China is the best example, the instant it switched to Republican capitalism it eliminated 40% of all the poverty on the planet. Are you able to follow that?

 

[James972]

Reading the posts here from Conservatives concerning history and Hitler is a very sad indictment of the American Educational System.

My God!!

as a typical liberal you are pretending which is why you clean forgot to give the best example of this lack of education.

 

[James972]

But neither[ Hitler or Stalin] practiced socialism of the form it takes today - they had far more emphasis on authority, and less on the social aspect. At least as I understand history.

wrong I'm afraid. Today's socialism is identical except its held back by the huge success of Republican Capitalism. Govt is huge and Sanders, Obama, Clinton only want to make it far far more huge. Without Republicans a sensitivity and caring arms race would soon develop and Hitler Stalin Mao would soon be back in style to instantly solve all problems with huge magical govt. Liberal power corrupts; absolute liberal power corrupts absolutely.

 

[James972]

One of these days read a good book, Jimmy.

are you saying our Founders did not read books before they gifted to us a very very limited conservative govt with only a fefw enumerated powers???

 

[The Mark]

wrong I'm afraid. Today's socialism is identical except its held back by the huge success of Republican Capitalism. Govt is huge and Sanders, Obama, Clinton only want to make it far far more huge. Without Republicans a sensitivity and caring arms race would soon develop and Hitler Stalin Mao would soon be back in style to instantly solve all problems with huge magical govt. Liberal power corrupts; absolute liberal power corrupts absolutely.

Bull****.

Hitler's Nazi party and Stalin's communism were authoritarian in the extreme, up to and including (especially in the USSR) imprisonment and execution basically at whim of the great leader.

Authoritarian policies are held back in the USA by the constitution and the rule of law. The republicans have long had a large faction which wants to ban abortions entirely, which is an authoritarian policy. Among many other things.

I'm waiting to see how badly Trump violates the constitution and far he goes in breaking the law. And how we respond.

 

[James972]

Hitler's Nazi party and Stalin's communism were authoritarian in the extreme,d.

actually liberals like Sanders want always bigger and bigger more authoritarian govt. Our Founders were exact opposite
wanting to keep govt very very tiny with only a few enumerated powers. Now you've got it??

 

[James972]

Authoritarian policies are held back in the USA by the constitution and the rule of law.

you mean by Republicans who agree with the Constitution and not by liberals who want a non Constitutional or non originalist reading of it. Do you understand?

 

[The Mark]

you mean by Republicans who agree with the Constitution and not by liberals who want a non Constitutional or non originalist reading of it. Do you understand?

The Constitution has been a barrier to Republican ideas just as much as Democrat ones.

I would agree that interpretation of the constitution is an area of debate, since that is obvious. I am not so sure about which interpretation is correct, as you seem to be. I certainly don't think either party is infallible or even CLOSE to always right.


They're both filled with well-funded agents of various corporations.

 

[James972]

The republicans have long had a large faction which wants to ban abortions entirely, which is an authoritarian policy.

Being opposed to murder is hardly authoritarian. It would be like saying parents are very authoritarian for making their kids brush their teeth. Civilization must have some basic rules to be a civilized. The Constitution promotes these few good rules. Make sense now?

 

[The Mark]

actually liberals like Sanders want always bigger and bigger more authoritarian govt. Our Founders were exact opposite
wanting to keep govt very very tiny with only a few enumerated powers. Now you've got it??

What policy or policies that Sanders suggested is, was, or would be authoritarian in nature?

Another thing that is subject to debate is the how precisely the "Founders" thought things should work.
And any interpretation of the same has to be viewed in the context of today's issues - many of which they had not even an inkling of. Interpretations are almost always fraught with disagreement.

 

[James972]

What policy or policies that Sanders suggested is, was, or would be authoritarian in nature?

his very nature is violent authoritarian. For example, he wants to put a gun to the heads of everyone in the healthcare industry to force them to relinquish control and let his huge liberal govt control all of it. Got it now???

 

[James972]

Another thing that is subject to debate is the how precisely the "Founders" thought things should work.
And any interpretation of the same has to be viewed in the context of today's issues - many of which they had not even an inkling of. Interpretations are almost always fraught with disagreement.

why did the liberal fail to present his best example of this????

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Being opposed to murder is hardly authoritarian. It would be like saying parents are very authoritarian for making their kids brush their teeth. Civilization must have some basic rules to be a civilized. The Constitution promotes these few good rules. Make sense now?

Abortion is not murder. Words have meanings.

You should look into that.

 

[iguanaman]

Yes they were. I just listed the principles that unite them



I worded the post perfectly. Communism and fascism are both collectivist dictatorships. They are two sides of the same coin. Hitler and Stalin had the same goals and used the same methods. A person who believed in individual rights and human liberty would meet the same fate at the same rate of speed under either man. Hitler repsresnted the collectivist right and Stalin the collectivist left. The basic ideology of both men was collectivism.

Show me a link to where you found that Hitler "collectivized" industry. He supplied them slaves to increase their production and profits but otherwise they remained intact and financially independent. At least you got the left and right correct. Fascism is definitely Alt- right ideology.

 

[James972]

The Constitution has been a barrier to Republican ideas just as much as Democrat ones.
.

absurd of course since Republicans like the originalist meaning of it while liberals are 100 % opposed to the basic concept of America.

 

[James972]

I certainly don't think either party is infallible or even CLOSE to always right.
.

oh really so why so afraid to present your best example of Republican fallibility???

 

[The Mark]

his very nature is violent authoritarian. For example, he wants to put a gun to the heads of everyone in the healthcare industry to force them to relinquish control and let his huge liberal govt control all of it. Got it now???

The healthcare industry shouldn't BE in control. We're the customers, WE should be in control. Otherwise where is the competition and free market forces?
We've been living with a situation wherein the healthcare industry has a metaphorical gun to our heads for decades now. It's a service we HAVE to purchase. Demand is GUARANTEED to exist and grow. We either pay, or we die.

One of the things I KNOW Sanders supported was allowing importation of non-brand-name drugs from Canada. Another is allowing the current publicly funded health systems to negotiate with healthcare providers for prices - currently they have to accept whatever price the corporations in question demand.

Which is flat-out bull****.

 

[iguanaman]

Being opposed to murder is hardly authoritarian. It would be like saying parents are very authoritarian for making their kids brush their teeth. Civilization must have some basic rules to be a civilized. The Constitution promotes these few good rules. Make sense now?

Forcibly imposing your beliefs on others is the very heart of Authoritarianism. Thanks for clarifying that point.

 

[James972]

Fascism is definitely Alt- right ideology.

impossible of course since right is for very limited govt while Mussolini was for unlimited govt!! Sorry to rock your world.